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Hovgard
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For me motorized faders for recalls when working with multiple performers and also, every change I do remotely from computer or iPad would be replicated on the board.

I don't care for or want a layered structure either, I really do like the StudioLive logics and operations and I would love to see a fully featured 32 or even 40ch.
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How about making the direct outputs and the inserts able to send the audio from the firewire return. I think it's ridiculous that it cannot.
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If you don't have layers, you'd never need motorized faders. I believe Presonus saw that, and used that concept to their advantage to lower the price point.

After all, if you had two bands going back and forth, would you really be brave enough to have all your faders preset for "rock and roll" volumes?

I sure as heck wouldn't. Start with the faders down low, always!
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tdeem wrote:How about making the direct outputs and the inserts able to send the audio from the firewire return. I think it's ridiculous that it cannot.

Think about it. When it comes back into the mixer via Firewire, it's digital and I assume you want analog inserts. That would mean another set of D/A converters and some complex switching that can't be done digitally.

The Allen & Heath ZED-R16 has a button to select whether the Firewire return is before or after the Insert jack, but that's possible (or rather, practical at the price point) because it's an analog mixer. You wouldn't want one of those now, would you?
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formula428 wrote:If you don't have layers, you'd never need motorized faders. I believe Presonus saw that, and used that concept to their advantage to lower the price point.

If you have automation, moving faders are very useful because you always know what the mix levels are. And even if it's just snapshot "automation" like the StudioLive has, having the faders move into position by themselves rather than having to spend a little time moving them and watching the lights so you don't get surprised when you move a fader to adjust the mix. But, yeah, that's a price point thing, as well as the lack of automation and DAW control.
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MikeRivers wrote:
tdeem wrote:How about making the direct outputs and the inserts able to send the audio from the firewire return. I think it's ridiculous that it cannot.

Think about it. When it comes back into the mixer via Firewire, it's digital and I assume you want analog inserts. That would mean another set of D/A converters and some complex switching that can't be done digitally.

The Allen & Heath ZED-R16 has a button to select whether the Firewire return is before or after the Insert jack, but that's possible (or rather, practical at the price point) because it's an analog mixer. You wouldn't want one of those now, would you?

I just don't see why it's that hard to atleast make the direct outputs work like you can with the sub group outs/etc? Why not make the direct outputs/inserts the same? I never thought about it when I bought it, so I didn't look too much into it (naively just assumed-direct outs/inserts would be able to use), it doesn't seem so different than say the outputs on any interface?
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tdeem wrote:
I just don't see why it's that hard to atleast make the direct outputs work like you can with the sub group outs/etc?

If you would like to understand why it's hard, sit down with a pencil and paper for a few minutes and try to draw a signal flow diagram. Do it the easy way and you'll find yourself trying to put a square peg (digital output) into a round hole (analog input).

Of course if you want to insert a processor between a direct output and an analog recorder or analog input to a sound card, just insert it with a cable. The problem comes when the source isn't a microphone or line level analog source, but rather the digital input from the computer. You need to convert that to analog before you can use it in the same way as you'd use the channel insert jack.

The concept model for this is a second insert jack with a D/A converter ahead of the send and an A/D converter immediately following the return. This way, you could take the digital return from the computer, send it out as analog from the Insert jack, bring the analog-processed signal back to the return of the Insert jack where it's converted to digital and put back into the signal path. It's possible that the normalling switch contacts on the jack could control the routing through software so that the D/A/D conversion would be bypassed if nothing was inserted. With some clever switching, it may be possible to share the same jack with the analog and digital signal paths, but it would require at least one more button on the mixer.

And no matter what, you'd add delay to the signal path as a result of the conversion between digital and analog and back. Perhaps automatic compensation could be applied, delaying all the other channels to match the Insert converters. See, it's getting a little complicated.

I never thought about it when I bought it, so I didn't look too much into it (naively just assumed-direct outs/inserts would be able to use), it doesn't seem so different than say the outputs on any interface?

You can always skin that cat another way - send the computer output to an auxiliary send, use that as your "insert send", then bring the analog processor's output back into the mix through a channel or auxiliary return. If you don't have enough inputs for that, you need a bigger mixer.

These days, you have to be your own system engineer, and that starts with defining requirements, looking at available interfaces, and being sure that you have what you need before you open your wallet. All too few people do that. One of these days I've gotta write an article about it.
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I love my SL 24, and despite some lingering concerns about the reliability of one component I'm still going ahead with buying a second. i guess a 32 channel would possibly save money, but 2 x 24s gives more channels, or two consoles to cover separate events, or one for FOH and one for Monitors....they take up very little space.....so tons and tons of flexibility. A 48 channel digital console for under 6K?

My main wish would be to have a Cat5 cable to digital stage box option. The SL is great for analogue users with analogue snakes but Yamaha's ESB's work brilliantly (albeit they are pretty expensive).

The Presonus team have designed an iconic product in my view...up there with Ipods / Ipads etc.,

yes, lots more features would be good in some situations but I just sold a Yamaha LS9 32 with a couple of digital stage boxes to move to the Presonus because it was too fussy, too many layers, too much button pushing, too time consuming in a live situation, (flying faders can catch you out sometimes!!) ...and for me, something was missing as far as having fun mixing, I always felt a little uncomfortable with it....not so with the SL. It also sounds better to me.

Even if its technically possible I really hope Presonus don't over clutter their consoles with too many features, they walk a fine line between satisfying studio users and those of us more involved in live events. I personally hope they wont be seduced and compromise ease of use and the sheer enjoyment this console gives.

....OK and maybe slightly smoother faders, but I'm just being picky now

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MikeRivers wrote:
formula428 wrote:If you don't have layers, you'd never need motorized faders. I believe Presonus saw that, and used that concept to their advantage to lower the price point.

If you have automation, moving faders are very useful because you always know what the mix levels are. And even if it's just snapshot "automation" like the StudioLive has, having the faders move into position by themselves rather than having to spend a little time moving them and watching the lights so you don't get surprised when you move a fader to adjust the mix. But, yeah, that's a price point thing, as well as the lack of automation and DAW control.


Agreed. But, I'd assume the SL was not designed to be a DAW control interface. Otherwise, Presonus made a major blunder.


I've used a Yamaha DM1000 console. I have to say, it was a nightmare to make quick changes. I can handle layers easily, but menus suck. I could never operate a menu-driven console near the speed of the SL. As far as quick ability to make a change:

Analog > Presonus SL >>> Other digital consoles with layers and menus (more menus than layers).

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formula428 wrote:I'd assume the SL was not designed to be a DAW control interface. Otherwise, Presonus made a major blunder.

Clearly the present models weren't, but I want a studio model and these days I expect a digital console to be at least somewhat functional as a DAW controller. At minimum it should have transport controls and track arming buttons so you don't have to jump between two sets of controls while you're tracking.
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I would like to be able to assign one of the graphic eq's to a channel. Some bands that I work with use a single large diaphragm mic. I have to use an external unit inserted on that channel.

It would be nice to cue the aux channels post graphic too. A "must have" in a monitor rig.

The most important "upgrade" for me would be more reliability. You cannot put a price on that!

With that said, I really love what they have done so far! I love this board, warts and all!

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I would love to see a way to broadcast signal to wifi without hooking up a computer to the board. I don't like needing two computers or a computer and ipad to run the board from across the room.

4 fx sends!

Adding 31bans to the aux sends would be a great help too!

One last thing id like is a way to show where to set my gains after loading a saved file. I don't need digital gains but maybe a way to show where I had. Something like the board has for the fader locations.

Over all studio lives are great boards and id love to see them able to stand alone in a live setting with out the need of outboard gear. I have a 16 channel studio live but I have a rack full of eqs and extra fx.

If I could walk into a room and set the board anywhere and power it up ready to go that would make my day.
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soulclone wrote:I would love to see a way to broadcast signal to wifi without hooking up a computer to the board. I don't like needing two computers or a computer and ipad to run the board from across the room.

4 fx sends!

Adding 31bans to the aux sends would be a great help too!

One last thing id like is a way to show where to set my gains after loading a saved file. I don't need digital gains but maybe a way to show where I had. Something like the board has for the fader locations.

Over all studio lives are great boards and id love to see them able to stand alone in a live setting with out the need of outboard gear. I have a 16 channel studio live but I have a rack full of eqs and extra fx.

If I could walk into a room and set the board anywhere and power it up ready to go that would make my day.


Good call on the gain recall. Maybe something innvsl that shows where they should be.
FYI the new update is going to add 31 band eqs to the auxs!
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Another thing, no moving faders, no shinanibananagans. Lets keep the Studiolive concept. It is lightning fast. Remember stdio and live. Lets not ad features than renders it useless for us live folks on the road. This thing has changed my day to day life for the good and id like to keep it that way. For those of you who are in the studio exclusively maybe theres a presonus studiomix in your future.

As for sl 32 ideas, i vote for more of the same. More eq, more gate, more comp...... Oh, and please integrate the multiband comp from s1 on the busses and main. Digital gain pots would be cool if the price stays the same
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I'd pay extra for recallable input gain and aux masters. Mute groups would be amazing. Losing the laptop to use Studiolive remote would make me ( and many others) VERY happy.

I was holding out for some (or all) of these features to be announced this year, but they (Presonus) only offer a smaller version... I'm making a new console purchase recommendation for my church and will end up going with the Soundcraft Si Compact 32 for the total recall and mute groups (which are essential for our church services.)

 
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