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NAS wrote:Forgive me for asking this but....
Is there some kind of roadmap or announcement on the feature set for v2 or are people just wanting it to go v2 so the version number is higher ?
I don't really understand the reasons for asking ?
Well unless the smaller updates that Presonus do don't actually add new features and fix bugs (Which i'm told they do)

Just wondering
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There has been no announcement on the feature set for v.2 but...

a. PreSonus are very unlikely to continually roll out new features without a 2.0 version...they would probably go out of business and cease development of Studio 1. Without the millions backing Reaper for instance Studio One has to be at some point paid for (they have to charge for it and understandably sustain and increase their revenue somehow). With Reaper even though it is a sustainable business and has been for some time...I would guess that PreSonus have a much greater need for revenue from Studio One than a multimillionaire dev would have from Reaper.

There is some reluctance even to have big version releases with Reaper (from the devs AFAICT) and really with that kind of business model there is really no need. But few devs are in that kind of financial position.

b. Some features will take more time to develop and as a result are more likely to arrive in a paid upgrade. Control Link is one example based on this post. Jonathan (PreSonus) goes into more detail about the way PreSonus approach S1 development here (2.0 gets a mention).

So as a result many are curious about the next upgrade version. I doubt many here expect a list or similar (I don't for several sensible reasons) but asking about a possible date / timeframe seems normal IMO, getting a direct response is not likely which again I can understand but I guess no harm asking / speculating e.t.c.
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Kahlbert wrote:[color=orange]I hope nobody thinks that all bible reading and believing people share this opinion - particularly since the bible actually says that nobody can know the time, and the actual end will be rather surpising (in my words, I'd have to look up the exact quote) ...


I think it's all rather silly (not just that one, all of them) but it's fun to see the various predictions of doom. Even PreSonus joked about the world ending in 2012 in their $20.11 ad.

One relevant thing about the potential end of the world is that if it happens, it happens to everyone, so there's no point in worrying about it unless you happen to have a private space ship and a house on the moon.

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dezacrator wrote:The whole doomsday 2012 is still in beta testing. Who knows, it might crash
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NAS wrote:Forgive me for asking this but....
Is there some kind of roadmap or announcement on the feature set for v2 or are people just wanting it to go v2 so the version number is higher ?
I don't really understand the reasons for asking ?
Well unless the smaller updates that Presonus do don't actually add new features and fix bugs (Which i'm told they do)

Just wondering
NAS


There has been no announcement on the feature set for v.2 but...

a. PreSonus are very unlikely to continually roll out new features without a 2.0 version...they would probably go out of business and cease development of Studio 1. Without the millions backing Reaper for instance Studio One has to be at some point paid for (they have to charge for it and understandably sustain and increase their revenue somehow). With Reaper even though it is a sustainable business and has been for some time...I would guess that PreSonus have a much greater need for revenue from Studio One than a multimillionaire dev would have from Reaper.

There is some reluctance even to have big version releases with Reaper (from the devs AFAICT) and really with that kind of business model there is really no need. But few devs are in that kind of financial position.

b. Some features will take more time to develop and as a result are more likely to arrive in a paid upgrade. Control Link is one example based on this post. Jonathan (PreSonus) goes into more detail about the way PreSonus approach S1 development here (2.0 gets a mention).

So as a result many are curious about the next upgrade version. I doubt many here expect a list or similar (I don't for several sensible reasons) but asking about a possible date / timeframe seems normal IMO, getting a direct response is not likely which again I can understand but I guess no harm asking / speculating e.t.c.


Not entirely sure where the Reaper comparison came from, but are you saying that Reaper doesn't need to make money because the person who owns the company is a millionaire and he funds development out of his own pocket ?
If so i would like to know where you got this information because from what the users of Reaper are told it is fully self sustainable business and in fact pays employees in the development and support team.
So if you do indeed have some insider info on that i would think a lot of people would be interested to find out what and how

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NAS wrote:Not entirely sure where the Reaper comparison came from, but are you saying that Reaper doesn't need to make money because the person who owns the company is a millionaire and he funds development out of his own pocket ?


Nope. My point was that Justin does not need the money and Reaper was not started because Justin was short of a few notes. PreSonus as do most other companies have a far greater need for a revenue stream. That was my point. Different levels of needs.


If so i would like to know where you got this information because from what the users of Reaper are told it is fully self sustainable business and in fact pays employees in the development and support team.



Yep...Reaper has been a self sustainable business since about 2007/ 08 at least. (Justin's comment not mine) so yes...Reaper as a product can stand on it's own financially and has been in such a position for years.


So if you do indeed have some insider info on that i would think a lot of people would be interested to find out what and how

Cheers


I would probably have to be a Reaper dev to have inside info...or Justin undercover
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'Sustainable' can mean many things, let's not forget.

We will be very excited when the time comes to announce 2.0 and all the amazing things we're working on, as you might expect. That time is not now, and that's about all I can say unfortunately. Same for the end of the world...hasn't happened yet, let's keep on keepin' on.

You actually could get a very good sense of what we're focusing on by looking at FR's on this forum. Like I've said before, most of them go straight into our system for discussion, etc. That stuff + a few things nobody's seen before + voodoo = 2.0.
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jonathan wrote:'Sustainable' can mean many things, let's not forget.

We will be very excited when the time comes to announce 2.0 and all the amazing things we're working on, as you might expect. That time is not now, and that's about all I can say unfortunately. Same for the end of the world...hasn't happened yet, let's keep on keepin' on.

You actually could get a very good sense of what we're focusing on by looking at FR's on this forum. Like I've said before, most of them go straight into our system for discussion, etc. That stuff + a few things nobody's seen before + voodoo = 2.0.



i am certainly looking forward to see what you guys come up with

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jonathan wrote:'Same for the end of the world...hasn't happened yet, let's keep on keepin' on.


I take that to mean that you actually can't see that huge comet barreling towards Earth from Colorado?

I only have one word of very good advice for you...

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jonathan wrote:'Sustainable' can mean many things, let's not forget.

We will be very excited when the time comes to announce 2.0 and all the amazing things we're working on, as you might expect. That time is not now, and that's about all I can say unfortunately. Same for the end of the world...hasn't happened yet, let's keep on keepin' on.

You actually could get a very good sense of what we're focusing on by looking at FR's on this forum. Like I've said before, most of them go straight into our system for discussion, etc. That stuff + a few things nobody's seen before + voodoo = 2.0.


loop mangling features so I can ditch Live, clips, blocks ??? oh please, please. And no ending of the world until then, period

I just hope 2.0 is announced Q2 at least

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jonathan wrote:'Sustainable' can mean many things, let's not forget.

We will be very excited when the time comes to announce 2.0 and all the amazing things we're working on, as you might expect. That time is not now, and that's about all I can say unfortunately. Same for the end of the world...hasn't happened yet, let's keep on keepin' on.

You actually could get a very good sense of what we're focusing on by looking at FR's on this forum. Like I've said before, most of them go straight into our system for discussion, etc. That stuff + a few things nobody's seen before + voodoo = 2.0.


Judging by past releases *yes*...the FR forum should be a very good indicator of what is on the way. You guys do a great job of keeping an ear and eye on the PreSonus "FR chatter"

Oh yes the end of the world...since I'm typing this message defintely not yet
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jonathan wrote:'Sustainable' can mean many things, let's not forget.

We will be very excited when the time comes to announce 2.0 and all the amazing things we're working on, as you might expect. That time is not now, and that's about all I can say unfortunately. Same for the end of the world...hasn't happened yet, let's keep on keepin' on.

You actually could get a very good sense of what we're focusing on by looking at FR's on this forum. Like I've said before, most of them go straight into our system for discussion, etc. That stuff + a few things nobody's seen before + voodoo = 2.0.


Hi Jonathan,

I'm very excited, and very confident that S1Pro version 2.0 will be a big step forward for Studio One Pro.

Take your time, to perfect it as much as possible, I look forward to joining the S1Pro user base once 2.0 is released. I'm sure it will be an impressive DAW.


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dezacrator wrote:The whole doomsday 2012 is still in beta testing. Who knows, it might crash

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LOL - you mean we can't just update our drivers?

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AudioCave wrote:

One relevant thing about the potential end of the world is that if it happens, it happens to everyone, so there's no point in worrying about it unless you happen to have a private space ship and a house on the moon.


HEY!! You damn kids stay offa my lawn...... er, dust.......

(And anyway, if something major happens to the Earth en masse, the gravitational forces will probably tear the moon apart....... damn, and I just painted the habitat )
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jonathan wrote:'Sustainable' can mean many things, let's not forget.

We will be very excited when the time comes to announce 2.0 and all the amazing things we're working on, as you might expect. That time is not now, and that's about all I can say unfortunately. Same for the end of the world...hasn't happened yet, let's keep on keepin' on.

You actually could get a very good sense of what we're focusing on by looking at FR's on this forum. Like I've said before, most of them go straight into our system for discussion, etc. That stuff + a few things nobody's seen before + voodoo = 2.0.


Honestly that doesn't instill to much confidence at my end.
Not that you shouldn't implement wanted FRs, but as has been shown at the Reaper forums, the most vocal FR monsters on the forum are not normally the ones who are out using the app hour after hour, and important FRs can get lost into the nothingness.
I don't want to sound self important here but i posted an FR recently that has had quite a few views and in all honesty is such a very important FR for anybody who records live drums or two track amp/DI guitar for editing, i would have expected maybe a reply or two, but nothing haha.
So yeah it doesn't instill confidence thinking about the FR forum when like i say the exciting stuff can get people...well excited lets face it, but the bread and butter use hour after hour stuff goes unnoticed because it isn't exciting.

I know i am new around here, but at the moment in Studio One i see some wow features (That are wow for about an hour) and then i see some amazing slickness and forethought in UI layout and workflow, but i also see (And i may add the ten people i got onto the artist deal have already seen and gone back to various other apps) a lot of basic loose ends.

So i really hope you are going to tidy up shop for v2, before any particular fan of Studio one thinks i am saying this to troll or because i hate Studio One, far from it, i say it simply because the app is a joy to use but for me and plenty of other people it is unusable, which sounds like a contradiction in terms but it isn't.

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Certainly we don't aim to implement everything people ask for, no matter how basic, exciting, advanced, or otherwise it may be. I only meant to say that we listen, we read 90% of what is in this forum, and the path from requests in this forum to discussions in the office, or even specifications in some cases, can be very short.

We are very well aware of things S1 lacks, more so than any single user could be. We made conscious decisions on much of these things, based on a lot of deliberation between people of many disciplines, and from many perspectives. It's a careful balance, really an art.

You will see many 'basic' gaps to be filled in v2.0, things you would expect, as well as some needs fulfilled that you didn't even know you had. I like to paraphrase Henry Ford to summarize my personal take on all this: "If I'd given people what they asked for, I'd have given them a faster horse."
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