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PhilG
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I brought the DSR112's yesterday and all I can say is holy crap I love these speakers,

finally after months managed to ABC them with QSC and JBL, has punchier lows than the JBL due to the extra power and smoother highs at high volume than the QSC

all 3 sounded fairly similar and very high quality at low - mid volume but they really are totally different speakers when you are up near the limiter. The Yamaha wasn't actually any louder with the 300 extra watts over the other 2.

Main thing I dont like about the K12 is when you are running it up near its limit is the harsh tweeter, feels like its on a mission to claw my ear drums out where the DSR does not - the JBL seems to lack any drive at this volume

the PRX is a good all round speaker it just lacked anything special

My rating - JBL PRX612 < QSC K12 < Yamaha DSR112

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I have been mulling this over for month's and finally pulled the trigger on the DSR112's today. I have nowhere
even close to go AB them so I am flying blind and relying on peoples reviews. Hope is a wonderfull thing LOL.
I will give some feedback when I wring them out. My needs are different than most as I am using them in a
combination performance and recording studio in my basement area of 900 sq. ft.. I am more concerned with quality
of sound vs quanity of spl as most any decent speaker will produce the 95 or so db that we generate when
we have vocal rehersals, The room is treated and I will be able to give some feedback on lower volume sound quality
in a more nearfield enviroment. May help someone.

Kerry
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Yeah I just bought 2 DSR112, but haven't gotten them yet and cant review them. I am using them as stage monitors. I've owned Mackie 450s, Yorkville NX55p, and QSC K10's. The Mackies went thermal, so I got rid of them years ago. I am not currently satisfied with the K10s and the Yorkvilles are out of warranty, so Ive been weeding them out. Otherwise they sounded way better (mids and lows are more present over distance) and louder than the K10s, although to be fair its not fair to compare since the Yorkies have a 12" driver. It be nice to compare the K12s, NX55p, DSR112s. I will be buying a pair of EV's EXL112p's in a few months especially at the prices Ive seen them at, its too tempting.
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Greetings,

I recently did a A/B between all of the below listed. This was not in a small GC room but in a large showroom that would actually hold 200 water bags in a show. Great acoustics and built just for this type of testing. Various musical styles and genre were used and none was damaged or injured in the process. Power wise they are all 1000 watts with the Yamaha's topping the others at 1300 total watts.

Yamaha DSR112
EV ELX112P
QSC K12
JBL PRX 612M

The JBL's are mine and I wanted to compare them to the rest. During and after the listens I was very happy with my PRX. Before the test, it was that feeling like going into the principals office and not knowing what to expect. They held their own against all of the above. If you haven't heard it before here it is, the monitor angle sucks but is cured by a little audio wood. This is the one thing JBL did not get right. Seated artist, good. Standing, the shins are aware. In the end I found myself happy with my previous PRX 612 and 615 purchase. The remaining 3 speakers have great monitor angles (roughly 50 degrees) especially compared to the PRX.

Any of the above is a great speaker and the purchaser will be happy. If economics are a concern to you then you will love the EV's. They are a great speaker and for under $500 and you will love them. I am going to pick up at least one for a great little utility speaker. RCA inputs and dual XLR ins with separate control and a master control. It is close to the K12 on individual controls but kicks butt on price ($300 less) and matches the sound quality. (my opinion)

Myself, I walked away with the DSRs from Yamaha. I felt them to hold up in volume level and sound quality better than the rest. I can't wait to get them outdoors! My 612s were right there but the DSR just kept going. Don't you just love official lingo. My dealer is selling all their PRX 5XX stock and moving to the DSR for their rental inventory. The PRX 5XX speaker covers also fit the DSR perfectly.

To wrap up these are all great speakers and any one will work well for the buyer. I suggest you listen and let your ears tell you what to buy. I don't believe anyone will tell you your speakers suck with any of the above. As with any speaker how you use or abuse them with your chosen genre will determine your success or failure.

I hope this review helps and is not to middle of the fence. I love my JBL's and am very happy with my new Yamaha purchase.

As an addendum, I am going to put an SPL Meter on the group and get some readings on pressure levels. Further information to come.

Jon

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skeetman wrote: I have been mulling this over for month's and finally pulled the trigger on the DSR112's today. I have nowhere
even close to go AB them so I am flying blind and relying on peoples reviews. Hope is a wonderfull thing LOL.
I will give some feedback when I wring them out. My needs are different than most as I am using them in a
combination performance and recording studio in my basement area of 900 sq. ft.. I am more concerned with quality
of sound vs quanity of spl as most any decent speaker will produce the 95 or so db that we generate when
we have vocal rehersals, The room is treated and I will be able to give some feedback on lower volume sound quality
in a more nearfield enviroment. May help someone.

Kerry


Kenny,

You will not regret your purchase! They are a full sounding and crystal clear in definition. They are great as monitors and I also am using them in my studio... temporary, but fun. Enjoy.

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himilcyclr wrote:You will not regret your purchase! They are a full sounding and crystal clear in definition. They are great as monitors and I also am using them in my studio... temporary, but fun. Enjoy.

Jon


Is 1300W enough for a monitor?

Has anyone heard the new Peavey Impulse yet? I'm curious about how the ribbon driver performs at high volumes.
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mstorch wrote:
himilcyclr wrote:You will not regret your purchase! They are a full sounding and crystal clear in definition. They are great as monitors and I also am using them in my studio... temporary, but fun. Enjoy.

Jon


Is 1300W enough for a monitor?

Has anyone heard the new Peavey Impulse yet? I'm curious about how the ribbon driver performs at high volumes.


To listen to some guitar players.... no More ME in the monitor please... my girlfriend can't hear me... but she's out front Bob...

Here is a link to a group that did a shootout including the Peavey Impulse.

http://www.peachstateaudio.com/

The results surprised me. Maybe a blind test would be better. I knew what speaker was playing at the time I was listening. More testing! I love my job.

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Very cool test. Thank you
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hi guys,

we have K12's already and we are planning to buy a powered sub. on a tight budget. so im eyeing on these Electro Voice ELX118P Live X Powered PA Subwoofer. will this work well with the k12's that we have? considering that it has a different dsp. im sure it will be ok... just want to be so sure. and im just interested about the EV ELX112P with its LF-watts and HF-watts. it just says 1000w.

sorry guys i tried to place this to the other thread but it seems it wouldnt come out... anyway, hope to get a piece of your mind.

appreciate your advice.

thanks,

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Hey kibo,

It actually made it into the other thread. Do you want to continue the conversation there or here? I threw in a response on the other one.
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CH_NL wrote:Dears,

Anyone had a chance to listen to the Yamaha DSR's in the meantime? Anyone has experience with Yamaha speakers in general? Would appreciate your opinion(s).

cheers


I have owned and still use the Yamaha Club Series IV's since 1999. They have been used nearly every weekend since I bought them. Indoors and Outdoors...never a problem with them. All my cabinets are Yamahas...(4) SM12IVs, (2) S115IVs, (2) S215Vs and (2) SW118Vs. 90% of the time I use the 15's over the 18's. I used to use a DOD external crossover, now I use a DBX PA+ Driverack. Never pushed them...I think that is why they still look brand new and are still going strong!
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I am selling off my old PA system which consisted of the following:
Peavey TLS 5 - 300watts - Power by Peavey PV2600
JBL JRX118s - Powered by Peavey CS3000
Behringer F1220 monitors - Powered by Peavey PV900

I ran this system in stereo, but even near clipping it never had much power and it always sounded muddy. Tuning with the DriveRack 260 didn't make it any better.

Looking for something lighter (those poweramps weigh a ton) with clearer sound and enough power to handle a school gym (largest venu). Just wonderng if the powered JBL and QSC systems that you are reviewing in this thread would be a noticable step up?

I am not up on the speaker and power amp ratings, so I figure if I go powered I can't get it wrong. I'm a guitar player not a sound engineer.

If I go to a matched set of tops and subs do I really need to keep my drive rack 260? My SL24 has a limiter and and GEQ and the speakers have their own cross overs.

I don't have the ability to listen to any of the systems where I live, so I have to depend on you folks for honest reviews before I order online.

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Yamaha's next-generation Class-D amplifiers deliver as much as 1300W* of power with precision damping for tight and crisp sound from compact, lightweight modules...........

This is a description taken from Yamaha's website, anyone notice the(*) after 1300w? So far I'm unable to find any footnote to go with the asterisk. I would assume the it would tell us that this is "peak" power and not sustained power. I am not bashing anyone, I just wish they would all stop playing number games and tell us what the real world numbers are. Ok, enough of my ranting, please continue with speakers comparison.
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Yeah, would be great if there was an actual mandated standard for a lot of this stuff.
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