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themuzic
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betaguy wrote:Hey Bit,

I believe the S1 demo can be downloaded 5 times.
If it expires, just download again.

I was timidi over there. I might just move to S1 so I can finally abandon that monicker (after 18 years...


Actually, if the demo expires, contact Jonathon by PM. He may be able to help.

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Hey Bit,

Good to see you over here. I've read so many of your posts @ the Sonar forums and learned so much from you. I came from Sonar 8.5 to S1 over the summer, but I haven't made the complete switch. I still do all my composing in Sonar as its midi editing is still much better than S1's. However, I do all my mixing and mastering in S1. I have not upgraded to Sonar X1, nor do I plan to. Nothing new for me and still a very broken staff view in Sonar X1 (no staff editor at all in S1 though).

The mastering section of S1 Pro is leaps ahead of anything out there. The program as a whole is put together so well I forget I'm using it. Tasks are just so 'natural' and intuitive my workflow in S1 is fast, efficient, and the end results are excellent and effortless. I spend more time making my music sound great and less time fiddling with the interface and features.

As far as effects, I really don't use any so I can't be much help for you there. My only 3rd party plugins are instruments from VSL and EWQL. I use VSL's MIR for reverb inside of Vienna Ensemble and that's about it.

All I need is a little love for midi composers in S1 and I'll uninstall Sonar and not look back.
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Hi everyone!

I'm a current Sonar user for many years that has not upgraded to X1 yet. I have been using the S1 demo for a couple of weeks now and I have to say I'm very impressed and nearly hooked. I'm primarily in the Audio Track user with a sprinkle of MIDI for percussion and keyboard tracks category so S1 fits my needs well so far.

So far it is extremely stable and the audio engine is superb. All my VST plugins work well in the 32bit version, even my Waves v5 plugs that are wrapped with the DXshell wrapper but I wish there was native Direct X support. I'm beginning to find my way around S1 with every use. This program is deeper than it looks. It does things differently than Sonar, that's for sure and I like its work flow. It has not crashed once on me. I've noticed it's install footprint is small compared to Sonar and there are not a lot of Windows Registry entries. It seems to me that programs are more stable and less prone to Windows conflicts when they are not dependent on the Windows Registry.

There can be a lot of improvements in the MIDI editing area; Sonar is still more versatile. The few MIDI tracks I imported as MIDI type 0 files worked well with all of my VSTi drum machines- Session Drummer 3 (from Cakewalk), BFD Eco and FXpansion DR-008 (yah, I still use that dinosaur!). I did find it a little difficult to change MIDI notes in the PRV editor unlike Sonar's where I can just drag that note to another note location. Maybe I'm missing something in doing this in S1 as I'm not an expert (yet). On the other hand, the MIDI timing seemed tighter than Sonar's and that is a real plus. I never liked Sonar's accuracy in the MIDI timing area. Sonar seems to drift too much when using a lot of audio tracks along with MIDI.

On pitch correction, S1 does have a "Tune" function for adjusting the pitch of audio clips. It seems to work well for small clips of phrases. I use Autotune for bigger jobs so this is fine. For those who have a lot of extra goodies plugins like Melodyne and Autotune, the absence of a more advanced feature at this time is not a big deal. Watch this video clip on S1's "Tune" feature: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO8PcQXzaXE


I know Studio One is being improved all the time and here are a few features that would make this a more versatile DAW:

-Track Folders
-Direct X Plugin Support for Windows 32bit
-MTC/SMPTE Support
-Option to save Imported Files with the project (although a Bounce operation will copy the file to the project folder)
-Jump to Marker Time when clicking on a marker. This would be a handy, time saving feature.
-Track Lock feature- This is a must as a track clip will move out of place if any track clip is selected for more that a quick click of the mouse. It also shows up in the history as a track move operation. This could become a disaster if unnoticed!

I'll post these in the feature request section. I just may use the attractive Crossgrade offer and purchase this program. I like the Software Programmers' approach and the implementation of new coding techniques. Their experience at Steinberg seems to have given them an insight on what not to do! And unlike Sonar, which seems to have a lot of old code and definitely a lot of the old bugs that will probably never get fixed, I'm hoping Presonus will aggressively but carefully improve Studio One.

Bitflipper- I follow your posts on the Sonar Forum and respect your opinions. Have a great time at NAMM and a restfull vacation. I haven't been to NAMM in about 30 years!
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datadog wrote:Hi everyone!

I'm a current Sonar user for many years that has not upgraded to X1 yet. I have been using the S1 demo for a couple of weeks now and I have to say I'm very impressed and nearly hooked. I'm primarily in the Audio Track user with a sprinkle of MIDI for percussion and keyboard tracks category so S1 fits my needs well so far.

So far it is extremely stable and the audio engine is superb. All my VST plugins work well in the 32bit version, even my Waves v5 plugs that are wrapped with the DXshell wrapper but I wish there was native Direct X support. I'm beginning to find my way around S1 with every use. This program is deeper than it looks. It does things differently than Sonar, that's for sure and I like its work flow. It has not crashed once on me. I've noticed it's install footprint is small compared to Sonar and there are not a lot of Windows Registry entries. It seems to me that programs are more stable and less prone to Windows conflicts when they are not dependent on the Windows Registry.

There can be a lot of improvements in the MIDI editing area; Sonar is still more versatile. The few MIDI tracks I imported as MIDI type 0 files worked well with all of my VSTi drum machines- Session Drummer 3 (from Cakewalk), BFD Eco and FXpansion DR-008 (yah, I still use that dinosaur!). I did find it a little difficult to change MIDI notes in the PRV editor unlike Sonar's where I can just drag that note to another note location. Maybe I'm missing something in doing this in S1 as I'm not an expert (yet). On the other hand, the MIDI timing seemed tighter than Sonar's and that is a real plus. I never liked Sonar's accuracy in the MIDI timing area. Sonar seems to drift too much when using a lot of audio tracks along with MIDI.

On pitch correction, S1 does have a "Tune" function for adjusting the pitch of audio clips. It seems to work well for small clips of phrases. I use Autotune for bigger jobs so this is fine. For those who have a lot of extra goodies plugins like Melodyne and Autotune, the absence of a more advanced feature at this time is not a big deal. Watch this video clip on S1's "Tune" feature: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO8PcQXzaXE


I know Studio One is being improved all the time and here are a few features that would make this a more versatile DAW:

-Track Folders
-Direct X Plugin Support for Windows 32bit
-MTC/SMPTE Support
-Option to save Imported Files with the project (although a Bounce operation will copy the file to the project folder)
-Jump to Marker Time when clicking on a marker. This would be a handy, time saving feature.
-Track Lock feature- This is a must as a track clip will move out of place if any track clip is selected for more that a quick click of the mouse. It also shows up in the history as a track move operation. This could become a disaster if unnoticed!

I'll post these in the feature request section. I just may use the attractive Crossgrade offer and purchase this program. I like the Software Programmers' approach and the implementation of new coding techniques. Their experience at Steinberg seems to have given them an insight on what not to do! And unlike Sonar, which seems to have a lot of old code and definitely a lot of the old bugs that will probably never get fixed, I'm hoping Presonus will aggressively but carefully improve Studio One.

Bitflipper- I follow your posts on the Sonar Forum and respect your opinions. Have a great time at NAMM and a restfull vacation. I haven't been to NAMM in about 30 years!


Hey, glad you liked my S1 Tuning video. I did it in response to a (I think) a Cubase user that was on the fence because of it.

Also, as far as Direct X Plugin Support, I use all my old DX stuff with this http://console.jp/en/ and I can use everything from the old Anteras Mic Modeler to Clone Ensemble. Check it out.

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themuzic wrote:
Hey, glad you liked my S1 Tuning video. I did it in response to a (I think) a Cubase user that was on the fence because of it.

Also, as far as Direct X Plugin Support, I use all my old DX stuff with this http://console.jp/en/ and I can use everything from the old Anteras Mic Modeler to Clone Ensemble. Check it out.


Thanks for this! I didn't know it existed. If it works out, then there is really no need for Direct X Plugin support.
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bitflipper wrote:Probably the hardest adjustment I'd have to make would be the track view. SONAR's track view is where I live. I don't use the console and I don't use the Inspector. Don't need to, because everything's right there to the left of the track: volume, pan, trim, routing, fx. The downside is that it takes up more vertical space, but I do a lot of minimizing and collapsing folders while I'm working so it's an acceptable compromise. Not having that stuff feels very disorienting to me, at least for now.

I'm holding off on downloading the S1 demo so that the 30-day demo window can encompass 3 weeks of out-of-town down time, first a week in Anaheim to do NAMM (with a visit to the Presonus booth, to be sure), then two weeks on my little island in the Philippines sipping fresh mango juice. Everything I know today about S1 is from videos and hearsay, but in a month I'll know for sure if S1 and I have a future.

Thanks everyone for your observations!


Bitflipper,

Nice to see a very familiar face from across the fence. I realize everything is subjective and maybe it depends on what exactly you use Sonar for, but I would be really surprised (or maybe shocked) if you didn't find S1 superior to Sonar (8.53 or X1), *especially* if you live in track view.

I have been using S1 since last summer and I smile every time I load it up. I haven't taken it for granted yet. I just love it. I have been using Cakewalk products since the DOS days and I really loved Pro Audio, but Sonar has always felt cumbersome to me in some ways. Well, as it turns out, those areas and a lot more were fixed with S1. I don't feel like I'm fighting with the program to get things done, it's all so smooth, it's like a new best friend.

I look forward to your findings.

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I just upgraded to Studio One Pro and I love it. I was Sonar user 10 years(?). I upgraded to X1 but...it was one huge crash. Studio One has that right flow. It is very, very fast, and Ultra stable.
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Hey Bit,

Good to see ya here.

Over at Sonar forums I respect your opinions on a huge scale.
You're one of the few, along with Jim Roseberry [good company to be in], that chime in with good sense, abundant knowledge, great advise, helpful insight and yet you both seem to be able to stay out of the 'pissing contests' that sometimes arise.

Every post I read there, I always get something positive from your input.

I'm 'jimusic' over there.

I have had Sonar starting @ Sonar 6 Studio, since 2006, and got up to Sonar 8.5.3 Pro.

I only know of Studio One at all because it came bundled with the mixer I bought -the StudioLive 16.4.2.

I am just trying it out myself, but have decided against the Sonar X1 $99.00 upgrade and went with this one up to Studio One Pro for $149.00 instead. [Waiting for it to arrive.]
In fact, when I checked out the Sonar X1 upgrade, my first thought was, "Oh they're just trying to match what Studio One looks like in appearance & approach".

I can see why many like this DAW, but I see myself using both DAWs for different reasons.
For one thing, I'm much more familiar with Sonar for now, [after 4 years of course].

Also, I NEVER use loops, which this DAW is partially catered to for drag & drop ease of use - at least for newbies.

I'm mostly 4-8 MIDI tracks to start with, then adding the obvious Vocal, Guitars, Bass etc. into audio tracks afterward.

When I upgraded to Sonar 7, it was because of the new MIDI editing features, and those I will still
probably use, but I'll bet that Presonus will be getting there before long to catch up [& possibly even surpass].

Having said that, many of the editing features are pretty much the same here already in the PRV.

I do see the potential here though, and will continue to work through this Studio One Artist, and especially the Pro Version.

I also want to use my other VSTs, which I need Studio One Pro to access.

That & I think the Mastering Suite here are what sold me on this upgrade.


HTH Bit,

james


datadog:

Just click on a MIDI note in the PRV, and then use the arrow keys to move it up or down in pitch. Works for me. You can probably drag up or down with the mouse as well.

james

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"-Option to save Imported Files with the project (although a Bounce operation will copy the file to the project folder) "

Goto "Song" and use the "Copy external files" command.
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kreeper_6- Thanks for pointing that out. I know this program is deeper that it looks and will take a bit to learn thoroughly.

jamusic- I couldn't drag the notes vertically, only horizontally. I'll try the up and down arrow keys- how easy...

It seems like a lot of functions are right in your face and easily overlooked. I have to start thinking "simple".

I'm really lovin the Project section for mastering. The burn to CD function is not allowed in the Demo but the way the mastering section works is brilliant! This will change the way I've been doing things in the last 10 years . A sure winner!

Again, Thanks for all your help.

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catadog wrote

....unlike Sonar's where I can just drag that note to another note location. Maybe I'm missing something in doing this in S1 as I'm not an expert (yet)


Do you mean like this?



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Thanks themuzic,

I don't know what I was doing wrong when I couldn't get the notes to move up and down on the scale. I tried it again and got it to work. It took an extra click to select the note again, then it was able to move anywhere I wanted. I guess I expected the note(s) to be selected on the first click.

BTW, the MIDI files I'm working on are imported Type 0 and the notes only show in the PRV as a thin event with no duration tail. If then selected, a tail is then drawn. Another click of the mouse and then the note is selected again and it can be moved vertically. I'm not used to this behavior but now I know how it works.

Thanks!
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That could be a bug, any chance you could do a video?
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To Bit and a few other Sonarites & ex-one's too.

Larry from Slow Marching Band on the Sonar forum here.

I have been a Sonar/CakeWalk user for at least ten years. I bought the X1 upgrade and also D/L'd the Studio One Pro 30 day demo.

The reason I purchased the X1 upgrade was to do my own side-by-side comparison of what works for me.

I don't do any midi at all, strictly audio, and am pretty much a plain musician and know just enough to get by on the engineering side of life..

I have to say that the workflow and the seamless, fantastic, audio engine of Studio One has grabbed my attention for sure.

I just love the way I can edit clips/audio ( real time) in Studio One w/o the darn glitching that occurs in Sonar X1 and not had a single crash...

It didn't take me long to figure out Studio One's interface, read the pdf manual, and got working right away.

My hardware interface, latency, it all just connected so easily.

The bundled plug-ins are nice and I love the percussion loops and how darn easy it is to get a percussion track laid out quickly. To be fair, the Pro Channel on X1 is pretty nice.

All I have to say is I'm at that 'one-click' away from ordering the crossgrade.

I'm not bashing Sonar in any way, but after giving Studio One Pro a try, it just seems to work the way I feel a DAW should work..at least for me,

I'm really wrestling with this one, and hate to jump ship on Sonar, but I can't deny how well Studio One works...just being honest..

Larry

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lhansen wrote:To Bit and a few other Sonarites & ex-one's too.

Larry from Slow Marching Band on the Sonar forum here.

I have been a Sonar/CakeWalk user for at least ten years. I bought the X1 upgrade and also D/L'd the Studio One Pro 30 day demo.

The reason I purchased the X1 upgrade was to do my own side-by-side comparison of what works for me.

I don't do any midi at all, strictly audio, and am pretty much a plain musician and know just enough to get by on the engineering side of life..

I have to say that the workflow and the seamless, fantastic, audio engine of Studio One has grabbed my attention for sure.

I just love the way I can edit clips/audio ( real time) in Studio One w/o the darn glitching that occurs in Sonar X1 and not had a single crash...

It didn't take me long to figure out Studio One's interface, read the pdf manual, and got working right away.

My hardware interface, latency, it all just connected so easily.

The bundled plug-ins are nice and I love the percussion loops and how darn easy it is to get a percussion track laid out quickly. To be fair, the Pro Channel on X1 is pretty nice.

All I have to say is I'm at that 'one-click' away from ordering the crossgrade.

I'm not bashing Sonar in any way, but after giving Studio One Pro a try, it just seems to work the way I feel a DAW should work..at least for me,

I'm really wrestling with this one, and hate to jump ship on Sonar, but I can't deny how well Studio One works...just being honest..

Larry


Well, may I be the first to welcome you to the Studio One Forums, weather you make the full jump or not!!! I can tell you that I did not intend to jump fully from Cubase but my divorce from Steinberg products all together was finalized months ago.

You'll find answers to just about any issue here from myself, Motoko, DB, Audiocave and Bedstrom (aka Gigazaga) as well as a host of others. I'm even seeing some of the newbies answer some questions (and come up with creative solutions to boot).

For me, Studio One replaced

Cubase
Soundforge
CD Architect
Wavelab
Acid
Roxio (for burning quick CDs)

That says alot. So again. Welcome Aboard!!!!!!!!!!

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