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themuzic
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SEA wrote:
FyLe ForMatz wrote:
nk_e wrote:
S1Pro is a very efficient, hyper fast way to work.


that's the most important thing to me in a DAW...

workflow > features


AGREED!

The main thing I use is lots of VSTi's and midi. I have PLAY, Spectrasonics, Vir2, Superior 2, Komplete 7 etc., and I want a DAW that will handle Windows 7 64 bit and read my 8 gigs of ram with ease. With that being said... does all the above VSTi's work in S1 and if so are there any "bugs" or other VSTi's I didn't mention (Like the Moog V) that has issues?

I also want something that can handle my quad core and eventually my new i7 core. I was looking strong into Reaper (and I still might start using it) because it seems to be very cpu light and handles 64 bit with no problems I hear. I also want to start using other plugs like Stillwells 64bit.

As far as midi goes, I do the basic stuff like edit midi notes velocity and length yada, yada, yada. Not sure about VST Expressions. I'm more old school.

I do like C5's pitch correction without having to get Melodyne. Does S1 Pro have (or plans on having) a built in pitch correction tool like C5 for vocals? if not, how does S1 Pro work with Melodyne?

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S1 doesn't have a pitch correction plugin but you can chop a track into several small events and tune each event. Nothing automatic about it though.

However, I use the Melodyne plugin and it works awesome.

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As a current cubase 5 user I'd say at present C5 is still the better product in terms of amount of functions but steinberg have not always implemented them as best they could.
I'd love to see vst expression maps in studio one as i do use them and they are good, if you have the patience to understand how to use them, and again that could be how steinberg designed it. If you don't have either daw then I'd advise purchasing studio one as I think the future looks better for it in comparison to cubase. I've noticed users here from Cubase.net so its obvious there are unhappy users. I will wait until version 2 before migrating as for me studio one is still lacking in some areas
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I have SX3 and Cubase 5 now. I also have used Reaper a bit and that's pretty cool as well.

I have Samplitude 9 but wonder how Samplitude 11 is going. It's great product for burning red book cds and tweaking your tracks for the final burn.

I like the drag & drop feature of S1. Sounds like a great program (and no dongles). I'm also looking forward to version 2.0 as well.

A know of a guy who uses the C5 crack and says it works great (of course he has the license and dongle as well). I know some people are going that route to get dongle free. I don't mind the dongles that much except they can be a bit of a hassle at times.


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Seems like Samp 11 have some issues with 64bit. Looks like it runs as a 32bit app.


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For example why I can't use S1 now, I've installed Komplete 7 and Battery 3, Kontakt 4 have problems with S1. But it is ok in Reaper and Cubase 5.5
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Pan.Krutilkin wrote:For example why I can't use S1 now, I've installed Komplete 7 and Battery 3, Kontakt 4 have problems with S1. But it is ok in Reaper and Cubase 5.5


Hmmm... is this being addressed soon?

If not it might mean sticking with C5 and/or using Reaper.
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So much bugs and issues so far here with no workarounds. I'll stay at cubase and wait for S1 2.x version. I hope presonus will do real tests before releasing.
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Pan.Krutilkin wrote:So much bugs and issues so far here with no workarounds. I'll stay at cubase and wait for S1 2.x version. I hope presonus will do real tests before releasing.


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Pan.Krutilkin wrote:So much bugs and issues so far here with no workarounds. I'll stay at cubase and wait for S1 2.x version. I hope presonus will do real tests before releasing.


I hear you Pan. I hope you get your issues worked out. You might want to put your system config and OS in your signature so others can see what you're working with.

One thing I love about this forum is that people don't arbitrarily dismiss the real problems of others. There have been some legitimate issues that have been exposed after release and later dealt with and (trust me on this one ) the beta testers work very, very hard testing Studio One but of course a beta team is only a very small sampling of the various configs or random circumstances that an application will be exposed to on release so it does happen that some things aren't caught in beta testing.

I think that the reactions to those things by the S1 team and by users is a very positive indication that they're taken very seriously and (unlike some other places) not dismissed as the unavoidable small minority. On the contrary, they seem to want everyone - every potential user - fully taken care of and happy. It helps (I think) when mature users exactly like you can express their legitimate frustrations in a mature concise manner like you do.

So I'd say start (or renew) the discussion about your particular issues in detail and hopefully they can get it worked out for you.

But yes, it really does kinda suck when you are in a place where something you really like doesn't work for you the way it should.

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There have been some legitimate issues that have been exposed after release and later dealt with and (trust me on this one ) the beta testers work very, very hard testing Studio One but of course a beta team is only a very small sampling of the various configs or random circumstances that an application will be exposed to on release so it does happen that some things aren't caught in beta testing.

Presonus could do like Propellerheads do with Reason. They send pre-release/beta versions of Reason to subscribed users that applied to test it. This way it is very easy to catch lot of bugs with different systems/hardware/middleware, etc.
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Pan.Krutilkin wrote:Presonus could do like Propellerheads do with Reason. They send pre-release/beta versions of Reason to subscribed users that applied to test it. This way it is very easy to catch lot of bugs with different systems/hardware/middleware, etc.


Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. I've never used Reason so I don't know first hand what bugs may or may not have popped up there in release versions, if any. But that actually does sound like a reasonable way to get even more thorough testing done... to allow all registered users access to some of the later pre-release builds or "release candidate" builds.

For me personally (and opinions vary of course) I tend to put more emphasis on how fast the fixes come. I mean, a daw like Reaper has a continuous 100% public pre-release build (anyone can use the pre-releases whether they actually own the application or not) which is kinda unique but generally speaking if other companies can fix known bugs in a timely manner I don't stress over it too much... as long as I know they're aware of it and they plan to do something about it within a reasonable time period.

So while allowing for the fallibility of humans I also (like most) have certain expectations related to the response time for those things after the fact. E.G., humans are certainly flawed but that has nothing to do with sitting on your thumbs for months after the bug has been exposed. So having a known bug that is an impediment to working being unfixed for 4-6 months is really unacceptable.

Very good point though about extending access to release candidate builds though. If I were them I'd certainly consider that. It could only help I think. Thanks.

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Pan.Krutilkin wrote:For example why I can't use S1 now, I've installed Komplete 7 and Battery 3, Kontakt 4 have problems with S1. But it is ok in Reaper and Cubase 5.5


I have most of that stuff on my system and have not really experienced much in the way of issues. Kontakt 4 works a charm for me for instance. What type of issues are you having?
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Just thought I'd chime in with my experience so far. S1 is certainly a little lacking in the midi department, but everything else about it smokes the competition. The devs actually pop in to the forums from time to time to address issues and provide information about upcoming patches. So, they DO pay attention to the user base.

Right now, I'm using Win7 Ultimate x64, S1 x64, VSL SE II with Vienna Ensemble, Kontakt 4. I don't have any problems with any of those in 1.6.

However, I also use EWQL Symphonic Choirs. Anything I do with that I have to go back to Sonar as S1 does not support midi effects (required for WordBuilder in EWQL SC). Just to clarify, EWQL SC (Play x64) works fine in S1 for "oohs" and "aahs", but there is no way to use WordBuilder with it.

Also, if you use any 32-bit (only) VSTs, you will not be able to use them in S1 x64. There is no built-in bit bridge. You can, however, use a third party bit-bridge (like JBridge), but when I tested it I found it a bit flaky.

Performance: So far S1 1.6 has been rock-solid stable for me. It barely touches my CPU (W3520) and seems pretty efficient on RAM (12GB G.Skill PI). Workflow is second to none and the interface layout is a pleasure to work with. I like the fact that I don't notice the interface once I "get in my groove". No fighting floating windows (though you can undock the mixer and let it float ... nice if you have a 2nd monitor). No worries about setting up routing with each new track (it's automatic, but you can tweak it if you need to). No complicated dialogs or hunting through endless menus to get what you need. Drag and drop just about everything.

This might be a petty point to some, but for me it's big. Like Sonar, there is no dongle I truly believe excessive counter-piracy measures in software only hurt the lawful user base - the people that actually pay for the software. It adds bloat and cost, and requires additional services/daemons to run in the background. E-Licenser has been cracked for a while now (along with every other piece of dongle-protected software). I just don't see the purpose. If someone wants to use a pirated copy of software (dongle-protected or not), I'm sure a quick Google search will turns up thousands of cracked copies.

For me, S1 is almost perfect. As soon as they add a few more midi features I will uninstall Sonar and not look back. (Too bad Cakewalk won't let its users transfer a license).

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Working with S1 is so much more relaxed than any other DAW I know.
My system: Mac Pro 2012v with the latest OS-X and the latest Studio One DAW and the latest plugins. It's always up2date, to every component. I use Internet studio management software (PluginUpdate, Mac OS X App Store, Update Checkers, KVR, etc.). It's the bleeding latest with every bug fix available applied.
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I use S1 because is just what i need to work, also have the most great workflow ever, and the people working behind Presonus are humble.
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