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Monolithent
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Aways thinkin about yourself......

But I'd start of just practicing a bit with a low cost option to see how you like it. The Rolls PM units are pretty cheap and would get you into a set of inears to test the waters a bit before you drop a huge amount of coin.
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Monolithent wrote:You could save yourself some cash by thinking out the system.

How many people in your band actually move while playing? The drummer stays put so he doesn't need wireless. If ou have a keyboard player you can go wired for him as well. Bass players are usually pretty stagnant, etc

The idea here is you only need to be wireless for the folks that need to move.

And I like the Westone for in ears. And I keep a set of Philips from Walmart as spares (was carrying them the other night) they're surprisingly good for the price.

I think you're on the money here Johnny. We run a combination of wired and wireless and there's something to be said about the simplicity of wired. We recently added a Presonus HP60 to our rack and then feed some belt packs like these from Jump Audio. http://www.jumpaudio.net/
They aren't cheap but after trying several others, we like this one the best. The cable if thin and supple. The belt pack is light and very secure. It uses a 5-pin xlr to send a stereo monitor signal one way and an instrument signal the other way. It's very clean and very convenient. We've also got a few of those belt packs from Fischer http://www.thomann.de/gb/fischer_amps_guitar_inear_cable_ii_6_meter.htm but I prefer the Jump Audio version. The cable is a lot for flexible and convenient. YMMV.
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P.S. I also agree with your opinion of the Westones. I have a pair of the UM3's, universal foam fit ($379). And I also have a set of custom molded Ultimate Ears UE11's for $1,100+. The Westones do a darn good job of coming up to nearly comparable to the UE11's.

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Do not use any device that does not have a protective limiter. The limiter in the console does not count - there are too many places to turn up the level after the limiter that are not under the complete control of the person wearing the IEMs. Use this : http://www.rockonaudio.com/?page=PKG-001, this: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Shure-P4HW-Hardwired-Bodypack-for-PSM-400-Systems?sku=243606, or this http://www.peavey.com/products/accessories/power/index.cfm/item/117093/number/03001320/HB2HeadPhoneAmplifier.cfm (although the limiter is a bit too accessible for my taste).
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thats very good advice,

whichever way you go, just look after your ears, the realization of hearing damage is sickening, for me i woke the wife in the middle of the night and asked her why was the washing machine gurgling away at 4am??, sadly it was just my head that was going through the rinse cycle

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I need wireLESS, not wired.
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I've been really happy with the Sennheiser EW300 series. I have just used the included ear buds until I can afford a better ear bud (custom mold or not)
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The only folks who really need wireless are those who move all over the stage, which implies a singer, or someone who's instrument is also wireless. If your instrument is not wireless, the first of the links I posted is the ticket.

If you must have wireless:

Audio Technica M2, $800 List, sells for $410.00 shipped. Stereo or "More Me" configurations. Has input for a pocket click track, or a cheap lapel mic for ambient (stage & crowd) noise. Ear protection limiter. Comes with earbuds - quality unknown. It appears that there is no rack mount available for a single unit - only pairs. It could be mounted to a rack mount shelf, which would cost about $20-$25 shipped. Don't know if the antennas can be removed (so multiple units can be used with a combiner and antenna). A much better choice than the PSM200.

Audio Technica M3, $1100 list, sells for $557.00 shipped. Stereo or "More Me" configurations. Has input for a pocket click track, or a cheap lapel mic for ambient (stage & crowd) noise. Ear protection limiter - adjustable. Automatic scanning to find a clear frequency. More frequencies (more units can be used together). Better display. Detachable antennas (multiple units can be fed by an antenna splitter). Better display and controls. Comes with earbuds - quality unknown. It could be mounted to a rack mount shelf, which would cost about $20-$25 shipped. Definitely worth the extra $147 over the M2. Don't know if the antennas can be removed (so multiple units can be used with a combiner and antenna).


Ambient mic for either of the above is $61.00 (I'd hold off on that).


Sennheiser EW300G3 IEM. $1500 list, sells for $$825 shipped including rack mount kit. Stereo or "More Me" configuration. Ear protection limiter. Comes with earbuds that suck (keep them as emergency spares). The antennas can be removed. Pros say that the Sennheisers are better than the M3, but will the differences matter to anyone other than a big rental house? Hard to say.

The Shure PSM1000 are good as well. I prefer the Senny, some prefer the Shure.
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With the set up of my band, most of the rythmn section is wired in ears. We go out of the auxes of a studio live 24.4.2 and into a 4 channel Behringer HA4700 headphone amp.

Being it a given that the volumes on the Behringer headphone amp are not fiddled with, are we sufficiently protected by using the studiolive's limiter on the AUXs to protect our hearing?

This setup works great for us and I wouldn't like to change out the Behringer headphone amp in favour of individual headphone amps (with limiters) for each band member.
 
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