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Gizzmo0815
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fullrange0rg wrote:Forgot to note this. The upgrade for us hardware owners should not cost more than about $ 100. Then I would also look at upgrading!


It does...read above post. Also name me another mixer that comes with a full version of any DAW?
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I'd wager that because Presonus includes Artist free with so many of their interfaces...they consider it basically a loss-leader product. Also don't forget the upgrade pricing, which is not bad at all. If you consider that Artist with an interface, is free (or extremely low cost) then Producer, with the upgrade price is actually only $100 for a full DAW with all the support you're asking for, and even more really. That's cheap for the product you're getting.

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This is basically my point. Like I said, I got Ableton Live Lite 8 with my MBox2 Pro, as well as PTLE7.4 (long time ago), I got to playing around with AbletonLive Lite 8, & I liked what it had to offer. It is a great "scratch pad" for what I do at home, it's more than enough. A guy a regularly play with liked what I was able to do with it & he bought the full version. Now, I can do what I do, save my project on a thumb drive. At his place, he can load it into his system & we can take it further.

If at the time, I didn't get an MBox2 Pro & instead got an AudioBox22VSL, or a 44. I would have received StudioOneArtist & since I can't use Kontakt, or Battery, I simply won't go further into the program. Presence is cool, but unless it can read Kontakt or Battery files, I'm not interested.

I'm not going to play around in it as much. I'm not going to take it to my buddy's place to collaborate.

Let's say my buddy does everything with hardware synths & drum machines, & the limitations of StudioOne Artist doesn't affect him the way it does me. He comes to my house with his project on a thumbdrive. I'm still not "feeling" StudioOne, because I can't use my instruments to enhance what he's done. Instead, I'll copy his audio files into AbletonLive Lite, or ProTools 7.4, or Sonar 5, or Cubase Artist 5, or MagixMusicStudio 2013, then continue to work on his tune with my instruments.

Most of these DAWs, I either got free, or for less than $100 (Sonar being the exception, but since I've upgraded up to that point I don't think I ever spent more than $200 at any one time).

I'm currently looking for a DAW to call my own ( I never meshed with any of these & have been working with hardware sync'd to an AW4416, By hardware, I'm including Kontakt running standalone sequenced with a Roland Fantom-S, or an MV-8800). The 4416 is starting to become an issue & I'm liking the benefits of working in the box.

At the top of my list, is working with virtual instruments, pattern based sequencing/audio recording, tempo detection & correction. Pitch correction is starting to become a standard in even entry level applications, so it's also on my list, but not very high.

The things at the bottom of my list, included VST effects, I have no use for them, other than a parametric EQ, & a basic compressor. Anything more than 32 tracks is a plus for me, for years I've had 16 audio tracks, 16 midi tracks & I've never used them all. I've got 8 busses in the AW4416, never use any of them. I've got motorized faders, I never use any kind of automation.

All I want to do is play my music. Be able to cut it up into Verse, Intro, Chorus, etc... arrange it the way I want. Then record the song all the way through adding different parts if need be (organ, EP, Strings, etc...) But I want to use my instruments. I'm an artist, not an engineer, not a producer. An artist.
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This will be my last point on the subject, then I'm moving on.

Maybe there should be another product all together aimed at the artist. Someone buying a Studio Live, or a DigiMax D8 would probably be the person looking for the current iteration of StudioOne Artist.

However, a person buying the smaller Audioboxes, is more than likely not going to "need" unlimited tracks, bussing options, insert effects, etc... But (s)he will most likely need VSTi & Rewire support.

Looking at most of PreSonuses products, I can see why they went with the current iteration of Studio Artist, most of it appears to be aimed at the project to pro studio market, & not the individual musician.
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Options are always great. I suppose Presonus would change their offerings if the market trends indicated that their current products weren't selling.

Also don't forget Artist does allow the use of the NI Players which allows for a LOT of third party content to be used in S1. Since the players (like Kontakt Player for example) can load third party libraries, they open the door for artists to purchase and use hundreds of third party libraries for Kontakt for example. Just as another data point for the discussion.
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I'm confused. Are you guys saying that Studio One Artist has a track limit? Because the comparison page says all versions have unlimited track counts. If that's not the case, then they need to fix the website or fix the software.

Also, to get VST support, you need to upgrade Artist to Producer. This upgrade costs $99. Which is exactly what was asked for by one of the posters.

What is the issue? Is the issue that these facts are not readily available? Because it sounds like everything is within what is being asked for.
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I can not se any 100 dollars upgrade ? From Artist to Pro ??
Upgrade cost me 380.11 dollar - I'm located in Scandinavia
/ Michael

Sorry ! Now I get it ! upgrading from Artist to Producer - that cost me 125.85 dollars. Thats
some god news.
I may consider that alternative but I'm not quite satisfied with this entire story of stinginess.
/ M

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Ok, I lied.

I have more to say on this subject. Right now, I'm testing StudioOneV2 & MagixMusicStudio2013, among others, to see which one I'll adopt as my DAW of choice.

I'm a registered V1.6 user, so my upgrade path is not $99, even if it were I'd most likely stick with Live (there's no upgrade path from LiveLite8 to LiveIntro9, I'd have to pay the full $99)

I'm a cheap bastid, I know that.

But VST support is important to me, track count is not. If I had to pay $99 for VSTi support, I would, but I don't have to, I have options. StudioOne is not one of those options, that's all I'm saying.

My Presonus Audiobox22VSL came with a version of StudioOneArtist that did not support VSTi and my StudioOne journey stopped there.

My MBox came with a version of Live that did support VSTi. At least one person I know bought the full version because of that (it wasn't me), I'm leaning towards LIve 9. Maybe that will lead someone else to buying Live. Or I might go with MagixMusicStudio2013, perhaps that will inspire someone to buy Samplitude.


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Ok, so that I can use my instrument of choice (Kontakt; Abbey Road Drums & New York) I've got Kontakt loaded on my laptop, going through my Audiobox22VSL. I've got Instrument cables running from the Audiobox to my mixer, which has a stereo out going to my MBox2pro, which is hooked up to my G5 that is running StudioOne Artist.

StudioOne is recording midi data from my Fantom-S, via 2x2 midisport port B. StudioOne sends the midi data out of port A on the midisport which has a midi cable hooked up to the Audiobox, driving Kontakt.

This is the only way I can get the sounds from Kontakt into the G5 since I can't install it on the G5.So I'd have to do this if I were using LogicPro or Cubase Artist 5 which are also loaded on the G5. However, if my DAW of choice were Sonar 5, or ProTools 10 (which are loaded on the laptop) or if I decided to install Cubase Artist 5 on the laptop, this setup would be simpler as I can run Kontakt (my instrument of choice) as a VST or rewired to any of those applications.

But I can't do that with the Artist version of StudioOne....... which is odd, because I consider myself an artist. Not a producer, not an engineer, not a mixer... just an artist.

StudioOne gives me unlimited Audio tracks, unlimited bussing options, sidechain capability, drag & drop groove extraction, real-time audio timestretching & resampling. I can understand how someone wanting to produce "polished" tracks would want these features.

But someone who just wants to capture an inspired moment? Someone who wants to flesh out a few ideas? Try out a chord progression? Layer a couple of sounds..... not so much.

I know I'm beating a dead horse, most likely wasting my time. No, presonus probably won't make a lot of money off of me (except I'm real interested in the 16.0.2 mixer which would be more of direct replacement for my AW4416) cause I'd probably never outgrow the Artist version of StudioOne if it had VST & right now, just don't see the point of paying $199 to get that functionality (there's no upgrade path for Artist 1.6 users as far as I can tell).

& I'd probably have done moved on, if I didn't really like the way StudioOne looks. Right now, that's the only thing about StudioOne that's caught my attention.

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Ok,

I just figured out how to find my upgrade pricing.

It's only $99 from Artist 1.6 to Pro 2.0

That's not too bad, but my point still stands.

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I upgraded to Studio One 2 Producer from Artist for a decent price it gives you 3rd party VST , You dont have to go for Professional with the mastering and melodyne etc etc . There is also some other cheap software out there to use Reaper , Tracktion 4 , Mulab , etc etc that is under $100 . Ive used all of them one time or another , I prefer Studio One2 Producer , but I wont say it is better , maybe better for me . But those other 3 are pretty descent DAW software and have there strenghts and weaknesses as well .
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fedexnman wrote:I upgraded to Studio One 2 Producer from Artist for a decent price it gives you 3rd party VST , You dont have to go for Professional with the mastering and melodyne etc etc . There is also some other cheap software out there to use Reaper , Tracktion 4 , Mulab , etc etc that is under $100 . Ive used all of them one time or another , I prefer Studio One2 Producer , but I wont say it is better , maybe better for me . But those other 3 are pretty descent DAW software and have there strenghts and weaknesses as well .


Yeah, I hear ya.... I probably wouldn't have said a thing, if they called it "StudioThreeQuarters" or StudioOneLIte or StudioOneLimited... That's pretty much what the other programs are.

But they called it "Artist" & I don't see how it's aimed at an artist. AbletonLive Lite/Intro... now that's a trimmed down package for an artist. 8 tracks total, midi or audio, 2 returns & a master. 6 scenes per track, then you've got samplers, synths, effects, & VST & Rewire.

Let's be honest, if you're going beyond those limitations, you're way past artist level... well, just about every workstation out there is going to give you 16 miditracks.

I do fine with the 8 tracks though. When I'm writing. When I get together with others & we're working on producing a song, Lite just won't do. But even tracking, I've used my 16 track Yamaha to track church choirs, middle school band concerts, local gigs, I've done several demos.... 3 piece bands, 5 piece bands... & I rarely ever went over 16 tracks. (Keep in mind, I"m not counting multiple takes, multiple takes are shuffled off to virtual tracks, then I'd have to get them back together to comp one good take, but it's all done in a 16 track format)

& while I was doing all this with my AW, I know tons of people who were doing their personal stuff with 8 track Roland recorders. I used to hang out on VSPlanet.com, lots of project guys & small studio guys on Roland's VS2480. The AW guys were sync'ing two AWs together for 32 track studios.

I've just never though too much about track limits & I'm sure those guys didn't either. Our biggest gripe was that we were limited on what effects we could use.

& I'm only 40, so it's not like this was that long ago.

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You guys have it great nowadays. In the early 90s, Notator cost me $500 and it only did MIDI, then the upgrade to Logic 1.0 was $700 and again it only did MiDI. This was on a friggin Atari with 4 Mb RAM and a 40 Mb hard drive. I followed the upgrade path trough Logic 5 on a PC and then switched to Logic 6 on a Mac when Apple bought Emagic. Of course I also had to buy a new computer, a G4. I now have Logic 9 on a Mac Pro. I don't know how much I've spent on just this one DAW over the years, but I know it is many thousands of dollars.

I just bought Studio One Pro 2.5 for $299. To me it feels like a steal. And I just bought 24 Gb of RAM for my Mac for $350. I am in Heaven! LOL
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Hey, guys, Presonus is a business and not a charitable, non-profit organization. To develop better products they spend money on knowledgable staff, high tech equipment, market research, manufacturing, distribution et al. This money comes from sales.

Sure, they offer a version that is a lost-leader and it is there to entice users to spend money on a better version of whatever product you're looking for. Compare there prices to some of the other products out there and Presonus ain't so bad.

My father always told me that there is no such thing as a free lunch. I, for one, see no problem with paying to get something better and right now, S1 2.5 Producer is it for me. Let's face it, I am not RCA's Nashville Studio B. I'm a home recordist. My total investment in S1, with the Audiobox USB and upgrade, came to less than $300.00.

I'm not going to complain.

Anyone seen the prices PT is asking for these days?
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raquin wrote:Hey, guys, Presonus is a business and not a charitable, non-profit organization. To develop better products they spend money on knowledgable staff, high tech equipment, market research, manufacturing, distribution et al. This money comes from sales.

Sure, they offer a version that is a lost-leader and it is there to entice users to spend money on a better version of whatever product you're looking for. Compare there prices to some of the other products out there and Presonus ain't so bad.

My father always told me that there is no such thing as a free lunch. I, for one, see no problem with paying to get something better and right now, S1 2.5 Producer is it for me. Let's face it, I am not RCA's Nashville Studio B. I'm a home recordist. My total investment in S1, with the Audiobox USB and upgrade, came to less than $300.00.

I'm not going to complain.

Anyone seen the prices PT is asking for these days?


I'm not looking for a free lunch. As I stated earlier, my intention is to help PreSonus make money. If they aim their "Artist" (the lost leader) at guys who are coming from the hardware world (AW4416, VS2480, D3200, DPS24) then there is no need for this customer to ever upgrade. Artist is more powerful than any of these hard-disk multitrack recorders. Even without Rewire, I can bus 8 channels via adat to a modest computer running effects like I had to do with my AW4416 & have all the VST effects that I want. As a small project studio, I already have that capability.

If they aim it at the artist, the songwriter..I'm buying the 22VSL, or the 44VSL these people will use the product, collaborate with each other, take their songs further, & will eventually have to upgrade. Not being able to use VST instruments, if I were primarily a keyboard player, I would have moved on already. I wouldn't have even given Artist a shot since it has no VSTi support.

I don't want PreSonus to "give" me anything. They are already "giving" me a bunch of stuff I don't need, want, or find useful, the upgrade possibility for me to upgrade just to get a product that would be useful is slim.
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leroy749 wrote:You guys have it great nowadays. In the early 90s, Notator cost me $500 and it only did MIDI, then the upgrade to Logic 1.0 was $700 and again it only did MiDI. This was on a friggin Atari with 4 Mb RAM and a 40 Mb hard drive. I followed the upgrade path trough Logic 5 on a PC and then switched to Logic 6 on a Mac when Apple bought Emagic. Of course I also had to buy a new computer, a G4. I now have Logic 9 on a Mac Pro. I don't know how much I've spent on just this one DAW over the years, but I know it is many thousands of dollars.

I just bought Studio One Pro 2.5 for $299. To me it feels like a steal. And I just bought 24 Gb of RAM for my Mac for $350. I am in Heaven! LOL


Yeah, we're spoiled.

Again, my point is for Presonus to limit track count, bussing options, routing options, editing capabilities. Not limit the instruments I can use. This is only because they labeled it "Artist"

Avid, Cakewalk, Cubase, Ableton..... that's their model & it makes the most sense to me. I could be wrong.
 
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