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Setting the delay to .5 ms doesn't work, it still jumps whenever I touch anything on the GEQ, on/off or adjust a fader, etc

Monolithent wrote:So here's a thought to keep everyone up and running until we can get this fixed. Set a delay at the lowest you can set. I think it's .1 on each of the subs and may work if you just do it on one of the four. It shouldn't offset the audio enough to be noticeable and it will keep I from changing with the GEQ.

This will keep everyone running until we can get a solution. Everyone cool with that? Give it a test and see what you think of it.
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Monolithent wrote:Ok. Just waiting on the video and I will send it to Presonus. It seems to be linked to GEQ movement.

Just a curiosity at this point, can anyone confirm that this is actually offsetting the sonic delay on the subs or is it just an indication? Also, if you manually dial in a delay and then move the GEQ does it still change?


It offsets the sonic delay. If the audio uploaded on the vid, you'll hear it.
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I'm on my iPad at the moment and can't see the video. You'll have to give me a little bit of time to get to a computer so I can view it.
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ministrymusicpa wrote:Just downloaded 1.7 today Not sure if this relates but there appears to be default delay settings in the "SMART" section for "sub delay" that load automatically. I noticed every time I reloaded a scene that when you access sub delay tab in "smart" there are already pre set values that need to be "reset" but they keep coming back. If I remember right they were the same values listed above. Clicking the reset button sets them to zero.

Didn't physically have the mixer hooked up to the system (mobile live) as I was just creating,preloading some band scenes. Sure wish UC would allow this on a pc without being connected.

Also can anybody tell me why I have never been able to get the GEQs to retain their assignments? They always come back assigned to main mix 1-2 which is why I came to the forums in the first place today. Thanks!

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This is something Presonus will want to know about. One more clue to what is happening. The GEQ is a problem that they weren't able to get fixed in this release. But they are aware of it.

And go get roadiesoftware.com it will allow you to change scenes and settings from your computer without being connected to the mixer. One of our forum guys created it and it works brilliantly!
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I dont think this has been mentioned, just wondering.

Has anyone tried a clean 1.7 install? Meaning delete the previous install of UC, reboot then install 1.7 and reboot again?

The instructions don't tell us to do that, and I have not tried it that way. Just curious

I installed over top of 1.6 and wonder if all of us having this problem did it this way?

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It's worth a shot. Wanna give it a crack and report your findings?

Don't forget to backup your scenes and settings.
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Yea I will try it now... I dont need much sleep anyway

Will report back soon as I know something
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Ok I totally uninstalled 1.6, rebooted then a clean install of 1.7

I still have problems with the sub delay, but only if I touch the GEQ in UC. If I do my eq'ing on only the 24.4.2 it does not trigger sub delays, meaning they stay at "0".

So the reinstall really did nothing. I dont personally use the subs, so it wont affect me much. Just hope for the ones that do, the guys at the shop will figure it out.
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I happen to uninstall before I installed it, still no change, ref lashed the unit 3 times with factory reset, restarted computer, shut down computer, tried every combination I could think of, still having the same issue.

I would suggest presonus should pull this 1.7 update or at least have a big disclaimer that the 24.4.2 are acting up with it. I happen to use all 4 sub groups for 4 vocalist, using 4 geq's on them so when I load up my show its all messed up sounding, looks like im downgrading to 1.6 again, the question now is how to rollback the iOS devices to the previous version.

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Monolithent wrote:
ministrymusicpa wrote:Just downloaded 1.7 today Not sure if this relates but there appears to be default delay settings in the "SMART" section for "sub delay" that load automatically. I noticed every time I reloaded a scene that when you access sub delay tab in "smart" there are already pre set values that need to be "reset" but they keep coming back. If I remember right they were the same values listed above. Clicking the reset button sets them to zero.

Didn't physically have the mixer hooked up to the system (mobile live) as I was just creating,preloading some band scenes. Sure wish UC would allow this on a pc without being connected.

Also can anybody tell me why I have never been able to get the GEQs to retain their assignments? They always come back assigned to main mix 1-2 which is why I came to the forums in the first place today. Thanks!

HAPPY THANKSGIVING & MANY BLESSINGS TO YOU ALL!


This is something Presonus will want to know about. One more clue to what is happening. The GEQ is a problem that they weren't able to get fixed in this release. But they are aware of it.

And go get roadiesoftware.com it will allow you to change scenes and settings from your computer without being connected to the mixer. One of our forum guys created it and it works brilliantly!


Not to get off track on this thread but, Is the GEQ problem "they couldn't get fixed" you referred to "the GEQs not being able to retain their assignments" ? I'm new to VSL. Has this always been a problem? I was thinking it was something I was missing. If I have more questions I'll create a new thread after this so as not to clutter the main issue here. Thanks!
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Yeah brother that's the one. They weren't able to get the assignments issue resolved in his release. Probably going to be on the next but I can't say for certain.
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I have the same issue..

Video now attached here

Having experimented a bit more with the desk at home (no speakers) I've found this can be caused by using the same three bands on any of the GEQs.. Resetting the delay time on the desk does not change the graphic. I've not been able to check if the GEQ is actually changing the sonic output whilst visibly changing the EQ value..

One solution for me is to use hardware GEQs until this can be fixed, so not too much of a biggie..

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Presonus is on it. Thanks for the video. Any chance you could edit your post to add it? Then I will just remove the other thread so it will all be here.
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Don't Panic!
I verified the problem on my SL-24. It is a serious issue but I'm guessing it can be fixed quickly by Presonus.

It only effects the people that take an output directly from the Subgroups. The delayed signal from a sub, (like the EQed signal from a sub) is never mixed into the Mains. It is only available on the Subgroup Output Jack.
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So from what I'm seeing it doesn't affect the internal routing? Say I wanted to assign my vocal to a sub and then to the main? That's good to know.
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