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Gizzmo0815
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foxdfive wrote:
woodbeast wrote:Foxdfive,
I like the concept of your song and it sounds great. When I listened I had a rush of ideas not to MIX the song but add parts such as vocals and some guitar parts.
Very good job Sir on the idea and delivery of the song, I am a frustrated songwriter and guitar player that is just learning this great DAW and I spend more time on the tech stuff instead of laying tracks down.
But is it so Great to have people like Johnny and Gizmo and the PreSonus people make my ideas come to life and share with my family and friends.
Keep up the good work and hope to see you on the next live Johnny and Gizmo show.
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If this helps your frustration, when I spend too much time with tech stuff I cannot generate ideas. Studio One is great, but I bought it to record what I write. I have no desire to be one of the Presonus gurus, or a recording engineer. I learn what i need to. I like John and Gizmos videos and enjoy watching them. Their contrasting characteristics makes in all the more interesting -- it is entertainment and I learn some stuff. I have over thirty unpolished songs, eventually I will pick 10 or 12( my songs are short like the average attention span). If I get to the point where i cannot properly mix the songs I will put to disk, than I will have to get someone else to do it. I may be too partial to my own recordings -- an outsider will not find my songs so personal and that may make all the difference. It took me all of two hours to draft that song, I know its rough, I know it can be better; but I figured if I threw something in here, others would realize that they should not be embarrassed by throwing something in here as well. You said, "it gave you a rush of ideas", well that is because you can see it from an objective point of view, whereas, i may be too close to it.
Thanks for the kind words,
D


Which is exactly what I was hoping for with this thread. I know there are several other folks out there (myself included) that have songs that they've not yet finished. Often times part of being a "recording guy" is hearing music written by others from an outside perspective and suggesting/adding things that might bring it to a new level.

There is a LOT of focus on perfection in the recording/engineering side of things, which makes sense because it's the more technical side of music. But for people to assume that EVERYTHING they do should sound perfect is unrealistic. This is why the best musicians usually don't work alone. By uploading your track Foxdive you're giving others a chance to continue your work, and perhaps even inspire YOU towards new directions and heights.

Collaboration over the internet can be difficult for many reasons, so for this particular Group Mix I'd like to focus on just taking a "completed" song and working with it from a mixing standpoint.

I'm thinking, however, that a similar project where multiple people contribute might be useful. I'll look into developing an effective way to go about doing it.
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Here's an example. I can post one of my drafts on Youtube or Facebook, where the majority of listeners will be friends and a few stragglers. ( I usually only leave them there for a couple of days). "Great Song David" etc. etc. Well , that really does not tell me much, especially, if it is not the truth. Now foremost, if I like something I have written, then I keep it no matter what anyone else says. But, do I need a better bridge, should I break out right about here, is the song too long? Blah blah blah. I can fix timing issues, re-record guitar tracks, redo a drum, but most often I have to detach myself. In general, I record and let the song sit nu-listened to for a month, two, whatever. If I still like it when I go back then I rework it. But honestly, by the time its written, listed to, played over and over again, I get tired of it and my ears do not hear it right. Think about hit songs for a minute, or memorable music scores, its usually 3 or 4 notes that show up once or twice -- may be that is what we miss sometimes ^_^
Just a thought
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Foxdfive and Gizmo,
I have been pushing this concept for over a year now. Listen to my song, If you like it add your parts, enhance it. Let us a few people finish it and if it makes money let us share. If not so be it just enjoy the experience and fun and the learning we all bring to each other.
My concept is the song from around the world where ALL people join in and just add parts and enhance the songs provided.
Guys Think about IT !!!!!!!!
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woodbeast wrote:Foxdfive and Gizmo,
I have been pushing this concept for over a year now. Listen to my song, If you like it add your parts, enhance it. Let us a few people finish it and if it makes money let us share. If not so be it just enjoy the experience and fun and the learning we all bring to each other.
My concept is the song from around the world where ALL people join in and just add parts and enhance the songs provided.
Guys Think about IT !!!!!!!!


It's harder to implement this type of collaboration effort than one might think.

I've only done it successfully in two cases. In both there was a primary songwriter who would determine what was needed and task out the various group members to do things based on their strengths. I.E. "I need a bass guitar part that sounds like this. You play that."

If/when people just kind of randomly attach all kinds of things to a track it becomes caotic and lacks focus. That can work as long as there's a central person...MAYBE two people...that act as project mangers.

As far as it making money...that would get REALLY complicated.

Not saying it can't be done, just that it's not quite so simple as uploading a track and saying "have at it!"

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Break break...

Is there ANYONE else who's willing to submit a song for the purposes of this thread??
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I agree such collaboration would prove difficult and only the true artist who wrote the thing in the first place knows where to take it. I am going to withdraw my song and may be later when I align the timing etc., I will submit at another time. Not to disperse in another direction the topic of this forum,but, eventually there should be a tutorial that takes raw tracks and edits them and mixes them. We look at preference and should understand that no matter how good a mix-master, I, or whoever else may not like the way someone else mixes. Mixing is as fundamental as the instruments themselves. What is significant for another time perhaps is taking an unedited mix , repairing it and then mixing it. Personally, I do not like everything in perfect alignment, I do not always set my vocals to pitch on the downbeat of the drum. Therefore, we see this art of mixing and mastering as a preference. Woodbeast, I think you should submit something, if for any reason just to let someone hear it beside you. Personally, I would like to hear it. In professional recording studios, artist perform and studios do everything else. The true mixologists is an artist themselves. I read an article recently about how they edited and mixed the Nirvana album and how they had to deal with the sounds of cheap guitars and out pitched vocals. That would be interesting to watch.

Cheers
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I see all the points both good and bad. I will just shut up and learn
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