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16.0.2 GEQ FOR AUX?
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gadget69
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I see you've taken offense...I didn't mean to "crush your groove" or anything, I thought it might be a chance to save some cyberspace. Presonus will not likely see most of the threads here on the forums. They do stop in, but infrequently, and usually without any announcements.

In case you didn't know I'm a moderator here and as such we are charged with making sure the correct information is discussed...sensor profanity and maintain decorum. This is a vibrant, knowledgeable, community that is more than willing to help. We do whatever is necessary to see to it ..it stays that way.

Thanks for your suggestions and participation. I'll see to it that the suggestions are put in front of them...

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@Gadget

I can understand, why people are complaining about the way PreSonus handles its business at the time.
There are many features we are waiting for for a long time now. Features you cannot talk away by telling the users that there isn't enough computing power.

For instance:

- Fader groups (ie. in VSL)
- assignable GEQ (to Aux INSTEAD of Master)
- Mute groups (ie. in VSL)
- 24db/oct. High Pass
- Control Layer via Firewire (which would mean to just use the protocol that is in there to communicate with VSL). Even if they would do so just for their own StudioOne software, it would be a great addition
- Smaart Tools via VSL (don't tell me it does not work with this mixer, it does, because I used the Smaart Software for OSX with the 16.0.2 and Smaart allows to integrate their software algorithms into other software by license. There are even IOS products out there with Smaart algorithms).
- Daisy Chaining two 16.0.2s

Since 1-5 are just related to software and not hardware, it is not understandable, why nobody is listening. I am pretty sure that many 16.0.2 users rather would have seen Fader/Mute groups/assignable GEQ, 24db/oct. High Pass and a Control Layer instead of a crumpled implementation of Smaart, which is useless most of the time.

With the new AI series they had the chance to do so many things, everyone was waiting for. Instead the new features are goodies, but not more. We still have to wait for what is coming over the next years. That's a shame, because most users have to overthink their investments twice and who likes to invest in something without knowing what's coming and when?

And the last thing:

There where times when PreSonus was answering Forum questions. This is why I came here several times a day. Since a few months I check it once in a while, sometimes I do not come for weeks, because there are tons of questions but very few answers.

A few weeks ago there was a salesman who told me that the "old" StudioLive series is on sale now and that they will not be further sold after that. But why - tell my, why? - is it still advertised here on the PreSonus website. It is not marked as discontinued product. So if I were a customer, I would believe that if I buy a 16.0.2/16.4.2. or 24.4.2 I get updates (features/bug correction) for at least the next two or three years.

Maybe you get my point.

But since we just learned that PreSonus will not read this post anyway, it's just a waste of cyberspace, as you called it. No offense, but you have to understand why the people are disappointed. We have a product we love, but it is still incomplete. Part of my decision to buy a StudioLive was, that the updates came quick and with many new features - PreSonus did listen very carefully. But now?
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I use my little 1602 all the time for monitors on stage and use the PEQ with no problems at all... It's a great little board... yea the bigger bros have more to offer... so you should pay a little more and get those features if you need them. I did! but I use the little1602 a lot more for smaller club gigs and as a keyboard and sub mixer and a recording interface at home... it's a great tool. I would suggest learning how to use the fat channel EQ on the aux sends better and you will get great monitors... (You are probably running the compressor too high or drastic?) Also, there are a ton of inexpensive outboard GEQ available too... look on line and find used ones real cheap for days... but to complain that your tool is not working correctly and was designed wrong and the company is non responsive is laughable! Presonus tech and customer service is outstanding and so is this forum and the people that "contribute " here in a positive manner! I use the 1602 all the time and have great sounding monitors and the band loves it! but... I know how to use my tools and don't cry when my power drill wont work as a jigsaw.
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try this... although the smaart features on the 1602 are very limited you have studio One software... you can take studio one, put some pink noise out a track, send it to the aux sends, get a calibration mic, bring it in on another channel and assign a track in studio one, put an RTA on the cal mic input... use it to see the freqs you are having problems with on the monitors you use... then you get a picture of the monitors you have and if you know what to do can EQ them better... save that EQ or at least make a not and that may help you understand what your particular monitors are doing ... the room and your mix will be your next thing to understand.

or use the smaart on the mains display with the mains speakers off and the monitors on with the cal mic on the monitors... but you need a noise source out the aux... there are pink noise generators you can get or use studio one
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I have ZERO issues EQing Monitor mixes with the 16.0.2 you have plenty to work with in the fat channel on the aux's...In fact I have many times had the opertunity to use the 16.4.2 etc and I much much prefer the simpler little 16.0.2...Many of the features of the larger board are just to much and overkill for most bars, clubs I mix at. You can also route everything though studio one on your laptop and have all the EQs you need to tweak till your hearts content ! These boards are more than adequate, If your mixing in a casino or huge venue then maybe you need the larger board but in most places the small board is all you need. Take your time, be patient and you will find the fat channel does all you need, also use the gate feature, helps a lot on monitor mixes ! Many many people I have spoke to have actually done the opisite of you and returned the larger board to get the smaller more simple 16.0.2 ! Awesome boards ! The one issue I would agree with is at least adding the ability to assign the GEQ to an aux if you want, that really shouldn't be a big deal or take any more processing power, but again, I never even use the GEQ At all, everywhere I go the fat channel is more than enough to get a great FOH sound!
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What is the sequence/procedure for applying/adjusting the high,mid,lows to the aux/monitors in a live mix with 16.0.2? The manual is vague and technical support has been of no help at all. Anyone, Anyone???
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There are different methods to EQ the monitor path:

1. frequency sweep while boosting
2. frequency sweep while cutting
3. measurement

The first concept is the easiest, but you have to be very careful and beware of sudden loud feedbacks. If it gets boomy, lower this frequency, if there is feedback, cut this frequency (notch filter), if it sounds good, leave it as it is.
For the second concept you'll raise the signal until slight feedback, guess the frequency or frequency range, set the gain below the 0db mark and either set the frequency right from the spot or you'll have to sweep to the range (low/mid/high). If it sounds right, leave it, if it sounds thin or muddy, raise the frequency again.
For the third method you'll need a tool to measure the frequency response (ie. Smaart) of the monitoring system and compare it to the output. You can than set the EQ and get a direct response. There are a ton of tools out there for this task, Smaart is the professional solution, but it is quite expansive. There are tools for the iPhone and iPad, but they require a class compliant audio interface. I would recommend a laptop and a small format mixing desk with just two channels and a measurement microphone.

Before you start to build yourself a measurement system, train to use your ears. If you have quality loudspeakers and have set the mic positions right most of the time you can leave everything as it is and don't have to change anything.
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Thanks for the help. But what's the procedure what buttons do I push to get the fat channel to recognize the auxiliaries so I can adjust the mid lows and highs Best Buy real question thanks.
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No problem: Just select the AUX Channel first (blue Select button above the blue AUX 1 -4 faders), after that the FAT channel is assigned to the AUX.
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valbeatz
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Has anyone tried using the main as an aux (GEQ) and use the 2 aux as a stereo main?

I have the Studiolive 24 and I am used to the GEQ for monitors.

If yes please explain pro and cons.

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markusgalla
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Since you cannot switch the Aux Sends to the faders and vice versa this would be a bad idea,
You'd have to do your mix with the Aux send pots.....you could not use mutes, pan etc.
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