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Flandersh
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kelldammit wrote:might be a stupid question, but i've never seen a laptop with dual video cards, so maybe it's worth a shot...


It's rather common now I think in laptops which has a dedicated graphic card. Couldn't find a laptop without such solution now so. It is for the purpose of saving power when one are using the laptop for tasks that don't need a dedicated graphic card.
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Flandersh wrote:
kelldammit wrote:might be a stupid question, but i've never seen a laptop with dual video cards, so maybe it's worth a shot...


It's rather common now I think in laptops which has a dedicated graphic card. Couldn't find a laptop without such solution now so. It is for the purpose of saving power when one are using the laptop for tasks that don't need a dedicated graphic card.


ahh, that makes sense. i seldom need any "serious" graphics, so i haven't dealt with the newer machines that can have that feature. that's good info.
the fact that the wdm drivers work sure adds a strange dimension to the problem.

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Dijon2 wrote:Off the shelf laptops are much more "hit and miss" for DAW use than Desktops.

If you've already done the usual DAW tweaks, you might give the ASIO4all driver a try (with your external interface as well as the onboard soundcard). Some folks have reported good performance with that.


YEP!! Done every tweak and used only the Asio4all but I still get the same spikes. It's gotta be something with the Thinkpad but it is strange that Cubase Studio 5 64 bit with it's bridging works like a champ.

I just don't get it.

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kelldammit wrote:
Flandersh wrote:
kelldammit wrote:might be a stupid question, but i've never seen a laptop with dual video cards, so maybe it's worth a shot...


It's rather common now I think in laptops which has a dedicated graphic card. Couldn't find a laptop without such solution now so. It is for the purpose of saving power when one are using the laptop for tasks that don't need a dedicated graphic card.


ahh, that makes sense. i seldom need any "serious" graphics, so i haven't dealt with the newer machines that can have that feature. that's good info.
the fact that the wdm drivers work sure adds a strange dimension to the problem.

kell




Don't know if this helps but there appears to many Speed & graphics issues with using that particular HP model's Dynamic Switchable Graphics..
The purpose of Hi & Lo power GPU consumption as you stated is indeed to extend use on battery, but alas as many gamers found out Hi Res video replay during gaming suffers.

This from the HP Website HP.com

Dynamic Switchable Graphics: OpenGL applications cannot be configured to use the discrete GPU
When configuring the Dynamic Switchable Graphics in the Catalyst Control Center, some notebook PCs may not permit any OpenGL applications to be associated with the Discrete (dGPU) or high-performance GPU. The OpenGL applications will work using the power-saving or Integrated GPU (iGPU) but the performance levels may be lower than expected. HP has released an updated BIOS and AMD Graphics driver to enable Fixed Mode Switchable Graphics functionality for certain notebook models originally configured with Dynamic Switchable Graphics.


You can actually switch it to fixed mode via BIOS settings. I would try that.

It appears HP corrected the issue in the DV7 series. Not a solution but may help

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ABCRONNIE wrote:

Don't know if this helps but there appears to many Speed & graphics issues with using that particular HP model's Dynamic Switchable Graphics..
The purpose of Hi & Lo power GPU consumption as you stated is indeed to extend use on battery, but alas as many gamers found out Hi Res video replay during gaming suffers.

This from the HP Website HP.com

Dynamic Switchable Graphics: OpenGL applications cannot be configured to use the discrete GPU
When configuring the Dynamic Switchable Graphics in the Catalyst Control Center, some notebook PCs may not permit any OpenGL applications to be associated with the Discrete (dGPU) or high-performance GPU. The OpenGL applications will work using the power-saving or Integrated GPU (iGPU) but the performance levels may be lower than expected. HP has released an updated BIOS and AMD Graphics driver to enable Fixed Mode Switchable Graphics functionality for certain notebook models originally configured with Dynamic Switchable Graphics.


You can actually switch it to fixed mode via BIOS settings. I would try that.

It appears HP corrected the issue in the DV7 series. Not a solution but may help



I may try that. It is an own function inside Catalyst Control Center where I can state what card to use for each software I own. So now I confgure games and so for the dGPU and other applications for the iGPU. I have tried Studio One on both alternatives, without any performance differences.

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I remember reading about specific GPUs causing performance issue with different DAW programs, but can't remember where I read it -
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Flanders... did you try plugging your audio interface into every possible USB port? (I'm assuming your interface is USB) Now that I think about it... that actually might work. From my research, it seems that Win 7 automatically assigns those IRQ, and there's like over 100 virtual IRQs it can choose from. But... physically, I believe there's actually only 16 physical currents that communicate with the CPU (or it could be 4... i can't remember the exact number but you get the idea).

So.. whereas Win 7 may be showing there's no IRQ "conflict" virtually... there still PHYSICALLY is, and is the reason I was getting my spikes.

So, did you try switching yet? Because that might actually work.
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themuzic wrote:
Dijon2 wrote:Off the shelf laptops are much more "hit and miss" for DAW use than Desktops.

If you've already done the usual DAW tweaks, you might give the ASIO4all driver a try (with your external interface as well as the onboard soundcard). Some folks have reported good performance with that.


YEP!! Done every tweak and used only the Asio4all but I still get the same spikes. It's gotta be something with the Thinkpad but it is strange that Cubase Studio 5 64 bit with it's bridging works like a champ.

I just don't get it.


I doubt it's just your Thinkpad man. I'm on a totally different system and if I remember correctly we share the same problem. Cubase was solid as a rock when I tested jbridge with it, and Reaper was probably even better. I just don't like those DAWs, so I'm sticking with S1.

I think it has something to do with how S1 is handling the drivers. I'm not a programmer, so I don't know if that really makes sense... but it's the only plausible conclusion I can make. Everything else works great w/ jbridge. I haven't come across one person using 64bit Studio One who uses jbridge on a large scale and gets good stability. The only people who do may use a few small plugins and don't get any serious spikes, but nobody to my knowledge is able to run a successful project with some heavy duty plugins without major problems.

I've been scratching my head for 2-3 weeks now and have finally given up after ruling out almost every possible cause other than S1 itself.
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CPhoenix wrote:
themuzic wrote:
Dijon2 wrote:Off the shelf laptops are much more "hit and miss" for DAW use than Desktops.

If you've already done the usual DAW tweaks, you might give the ASIO4all driver a try (with your external interface as well as the onboard soundcard). Some folks have reported good performance with that.


YEP!! Done every tweak and used only the Asio4all but I still get the same spikes. It's gotta be something with the Thinkpad but it is strange that Cubase Studio 5 64 bit with it's bridging works like a champ.

I just don't get it.


I doubt it's just your Thinkpad man. I'm on a totally different system and if I remember correctly we share the same problem. Cubase was solid as a rock when I tested jbridge with it, and Reaper was probably even better. I just don't like those DAWs, so I'm sticking with S1.

I think it has something to do with how S1 is handling the drivers. I'm not a programmer, so I don't know if that really makes sense... but it's the only plausible conclusion I can make. Everything else works great w/ jbridge. I haven't come across one person using 64bit Studio One who uses jbridge on a large scale and gets good stability. The only people who do may use a few small plugins and don't get any serious spikes, but nobody to my knowledge is able to run a successful project with some heavy duty plugins without major problems.

I've been scratching my head for 2-3 weeks now and have finally given up after ruling out almost every possible cause other than S1 itself.


Yeah, I'm thinking it is some kind of Studio One issue now. I see these spikes on a brand new Quad core I just built with Windows 7. Now, it is much better than my think pad and may actually be manageable but it happens with any JBridged VST now.

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CPhoenix wrote:Flanders... did you try plugging your audio interface into every possible USB port? (I'm assuming your interface is USB) Now that I think about it... that actually might work. From my research, it seems that Win 7 automatically assigns those IRQ, and there's like over 100 virtual IRQs it can choose from. But... physically, I believe there's actually only 16 physical currents that communicate with the CPU (or it could be 4... i can't remember the exact number but you get the idea).

So.. whereas Win 7 may be showing there's no IRQ "conflict" virtually... there still PHYSICALLY is, and is the reason I was getting my spikes.

So, did you try switching yet? Because that might actually work.


i was thinking of that because i just don't know how the cards are laid out, in terms of busses...for instance a lot of cardbus expansion slots actually share with usb...so if one of those video cards happened to be dealt with that way...it would explain a lot. it's pretty hard to think of anything that could just peg you at 100% with nothing else going on.

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kelldammit wrote:
CPhoenix wrote:Flanders... did you try plugging your audio interface into every possible USB port? (I'm assuming your interface is USB) Now that I think about it... that actually might work. From my research, it seems that Win 7 automatically assigns those IRQ, and there's like over 100 virtual IRQs it can choose from. But... physically, I believe there's actually only 16 physical currents that communicate with the CPU (or it could be 4... i can't remember the exact number but you get the idea).

So.. whereas Win 7 may be showing there's no IRQ "conflict" virtually... there still PHYSICALLY is, and is the reason I was getting my spikes.

So, did you try switching yet? Because that might actually work.


i was thinking of that because i just don't know how the cards are laid out, in terms of busses...for instance a lot of cardbus expansion slots actually share with usb...so if one of those video cards happened to be dealt with that way...it would explain a lot. it's pretty hard to think of anything that could just peg you at 100% with nothing else going on.

k


Yeah, tonight when I get to the studio i'm going to try disabiling ALL of my USB ports, regardless of what IRQ it's on. Every single one. I think that's going to be my deciding factor test. If I still have ASIO spikes w/ Jbridge, then it's clear cut an S1 issue b/c every single option would've been attempted. I hope somebody takes it seriously to try to fix it. Cubase handled Jbridge very well in my tests... and S1 performed very poorly w/ all variables the same.

Why would one DAW handle an IRQ conflict differently than another? That part doesn't make sense to me. Is there coding involved?
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For some unknown reason the 2.0.3 patch seemed to fix the issues
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Flandersh wrote:For some unknown reason the 2.0.3 patch seemed to fix the issues




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Any chance the 2.0.3 updadate has taken care of jbridge spikes ? (Be still, my heart-LOL!!!)
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Hey boys and girls.
Here is something i don't know if its just me.
You know the "set processor scheduling to background tweak"
When i tried it today i got weird cpu spikes.
now i have run Studio one v2 since it came out and i never did this tweak until now. and i never had issues.
seams to me studio one and AudioBox vsl22 run great without any tweaks..
i ran bfd and 3 instances of amplitube and 2 guitar rig
+ 7 other vsti with processor scheduling set to program and then a hole lot of effects on the channels.
but when i changed it to processor scheduling set to background and rebooted my system twise i had cpu spikes all over the place.
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