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scottmckenna
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The cable is by far the sell, and like I said before, this may not be the only option for every person, but unless your using a wireless instrument rig, it's completely pointless to have wireless in ears. Sure you could run a headphone amp on the ground in front of you but number one, you have no limiter on that headphone amp, and more importantly, the rockbox can except a line level or speaker level, and with the touch of a button, the level is auto adjusted for best sound. Headphone amps don't have that option. On top of that, it's not hidden secret that wireless instrument tone is nowhere near as good as wired. If you feel like changing battery packs every show, then go for it, I just figured I'd shoot a good recommendation on here for people that haven't heard of it.
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PhilG wrote:I still dont see how this is any different to running xlr to a headphone amp on the floor


If you're using a mixer that isn't capable of cool stuff on the aux, I can see a good point since in-ears should have a limiter on the output.

When using the SL16/24 it may be questionable if this is needed unless for convenience for the artist.

For the limited sound quality of some wireless it's all about how much money you want to spend. You need to pay top $$$ for good quality analog wireless.

I've tried Line6 older and new digital wireless and I'd say that they've erased the diff between cable and wireless....

Only problem with their stuff is that it can kill other 2.4GHz stuff around you i.e. the wireless for the RemoteSL iPad option.
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I use a mix of wireless agk vocal mics, shure mics/iems, senheisser iems, and last generation line 6 wireless guitar packs

I can not tell any difference in quality between wired / wireless versions at all .... never had drop out issues only ever had to change the freq once in 2 years on one of the AKG's because of interference .... totally worth the extra cash when it saves me running 12 cables 3-4 times a week

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I've been in severe trouble with wireless stuff on two occations.

One time there was some kind of radio central (taxi?) in the same building. I never found an interference free channel

The other time was when I was to close to a large national transmitter station sending radio and tv stuff + much more. All wireless became pretty much useless...

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scottmckenna
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I have to agree with the fact that I ALWAYS have issues with wireless. Sure, once in awhile I play a venue that has a good clean channel, and it works fine, but I can't tell you the last time that I was 100% happy with the wireless signal. Whether it was from my guitar or to in ears, I think nothing beats the reliability of a wired sound. If you're playing acoustic or electric, there is no question about it, the quality is better wired. I've used top of the line wireless gear, and it still isn't the same. To each his own though!
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organsymphony wrote:
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You compare these with wedges. Now compare these with real wi-fi IEM systems and you'll know running cables long distances to become wireless is crazy!


I don't quite get your point? Also the only brand I know of that transmits in the wi-fi spectrum are line 6... but they don't make an IEM set. yet.


I play wireless and use wireless IEM from Jangus Music.
http://jangusmusic.com/
Great sound with bassplaying and with my in-ears!
No interference, wifi, charging the internal batteries to full load in no more than 90 minutes via usb, and then playing 4-6 hours.
These devices are really small and easy to operate. I love them.
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I play wireless and use wireless IEM from Jangus Music.
http://jangusmusic.com/
Great sound with bassplaying and with my in-ears!
No interference, wifi, charging the internal batteries to full load in no more than 90 minutes via usb, and then playing 4-6 hours.
These devices are really small and easy to operate. I love them.



Thanks for sharing. I've never seen this system before. Seems interesting. Not sure how I feel about going over WiFI though. Maybe I'm just against wireless, but for the price seems like a decent deal. Can you show me exactly which system you use and maybe your set up pictures?
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I had a look as well. Nice looking little gadgets and my local store has them (probably not in stock but I can wait if the price isn't bad).

I am interested as well but I am having difficulty figuring out exactly what to purchase.
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Monolithent wrote:I had a look as well. Nice looking little gadgets and my local store has them (probably not in stock but I can wait if the price isn't bad).

I am interested as well but I am having difficulty figuring out exactly what to purchase.




I use two WI AudioLinks, one for playing bass, and one for in-ear monitoring, and I have six WI AudioStreams with Microphone Madness headsets.
The AudioLinks are for mono or stereo line instruments like guitars or keyboards, and for stereo in-ears.
The AudioStreams are for mono or stereo microphones, and also for stereo in-ears.
You can choose between different user modes on the transmitters.
And no interference with the StudioLive with iPad control mixing.
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Jan
Do you have to buy them in pairs to use as an in-ear setup or do they come that way?

I think I want to grab a pair of them to test before I make a big plunge and grab a bunch.

Any idea how many can work together at once?

Any idea how they play with WiFi based mic systems like Line-6 XD-v70?

I know its a lot of questions but I like knowing ahead of time.
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Tallest guy in the Mod Squad with all his hair still on his head.

No I'm not a freaking pilot!! The Air Force won't let me have a suit with a zipper...or sometimes shoestrings.

My advice and suggestions should never be considered advice or suggestions. These are mostly insane ramblings of a poor aircraft mechanic who can, strangely enough, still hear.

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scottmckenna
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So just to get this straight, because I've never seem a system like this. You buy an audio link and there are two pieces to it. One side I'd run from my AUX into the transmitter and keep that by the board, or wherever I want, and then the other side I put in my pocket or on my belt, and attach my in ears too?

This is very interesting, and attractive. I love the fact that it has an internal battery, that eliminates buying batteries constantly, and I love that it works off WiFi basically, because that eliminates searching for a frequency. Most importantly, it's $200. That's incredible. I'd really love to see and try this out in person though. Hmmm..

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I'm gonna see if my local dealer has a setup in house and I will give you a report if you'd like.
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Tallest guy in the Mod Squad with all his hair still on his head.

No I'm not a freaking pilot!! The Air Force won't let me have a suit with a zipper...or sometimes shoestrings.

My advice and suggestions should never be considered advice or suggestions. These are mostly insane ramblings of a poor aircraft mechanic who can, strangely enough, still hear.

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Monolithent wrote:I'm gonna see if my local dealer has a setup in house and I will give you a report if you'd like.


Yes, please let me know if you get a chance to hear it and use it, I'd love to know your thoughts. This definitely seems sweet, but there aren't much reviews or info anywhere on the internet about them. I've never even heard of them, but it sounds nice.
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For me it was a bit of a gamble, but it worked out very well.
A set is really small and light, you can hide it easily. The sound quality is amazing and uncompressed, for me this was very important as a bassplayer. The sound quality for in-ears is far better than my Shure PSM400. And the Shure eats batteries!!!!
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Monolithent wrote:Jan
Do you have to buy them in pairs to use as an in-ear setup or do they come that way?

[color=blue]One set is one transmitter and one receiver
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I think I want to grab a pair of them to test before I make a big plunge and grab a bunch.

Any idea how many can work together at once?

Until now,I have had six sets of them working at once, plus my Studiolive 16.4.2 with the iPad mixer on. No problems whatsoever. I use an Airport Express for the MacbookPro-iPad connection.

Any idea how they play with WiFi based mic systems like Line-6 XD-v70?

Good question, I don't know. You have Line 6 mics I believe?

I know its a lot of questions but I like knowing ahead of time.


Hope this helps for you.

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