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Bear Erickson
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Hello all!

I was wondering if anyone has some great shots of a pro wiring job for their 24.4.2?

I want the fastest hookup time I can get so I was looking at the radial system or just pinning my own multi core for the mic ins and returns(aux-1-10 & mains)

Any pics would be great! ....I'll have my board in about 10 days!

Also....I'm looking into cases as well.

IDEA> Pop open the case > plug in the multi cables and start making noise!
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Use really good multi-pin, XLR, and TRS connectors and build the mixer side of the multi-pins solidly into the case. Otherwise after a while you'll find yourself trading your fast setup time for slow troubleshooting time.

The case may get a bit unwieldy. Think about this really hard before you start into it.

Does Radial have a product that you're interested in, or are you just thinking about having them make you a custom connector panel? It would be interesting, at least, to get a quote on it. You might find that your cabling and case costs about half again as much as the mixer, not including the snake. You can save a bit of money by doing the work yourself, but if your soldering and crimping work isn't top notch, you'll pay later.
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I was thinking of the radial dog sled. It seems great for this app.

I also used to soldier and crimp about 2,500 joints a week so I prefer doing it my self.

I just couldn't imagine everyone is setting these up every night by plugging in 24 mic cord and 10aux trs cables.

Any thoughts? Pics? Advise on the case.

I have found a ata case with a dog house for 450.

Thanks for your thoughts! Much appreciated
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Bear Erickson wrote:I was thinking of the radial dog sled. It seems great for this app.

I also used to soldier and crimp about 2,500 joints a week so I prefer doing it my self.


If you still have the tools and the skills, go for it. If you can built it, you don't need to buy a Dog Sled. I guess that's just a short squid with a multi-pin connector mounted on a little box.

As far as whether everyone plugs in 24 inputs and 10 returns every night, well not everyone works every night in different venues. But it only takes a minute or two if you're organized, that is, if your snakes have the connectors well labeled and bundled in groups so you don't need to untangle every lead before plugging it in. The value in using a mass connector system is two-fold. First, it eliminates one source of errors. Second, it reduces wear on connectors that are difficult to replace. But it's also another potential point of failure.

How you parcel out the trade-offs depends largely on how you use your gear. If I worked nearly every day of the week and in a different venue every day, I think I'd go for a mass connection. When I had my remote recording truck, I had the inputs and outputs wired to a connector panel on the side of the truck and I could plug in two snakes plus power, intercom and video with just a few connectors. I used Cannon (ITT) DLI series connectors for the audio snakes that I salvaged (new pins of course) from some old IBM disk drive cables that were being thrown out at work. Because the pins don't wipe the sockets every time you plug them in, they're less subject to wear, but the needed a shot of Cramolin now and then to keep them clean and free of corrosion.

But if you're in a band that plays on weekends, or set up the church sound system once a week, I'd just go with the simpler system and take a couple of minutes extra for setup. Your decision point is yours to make.



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Because I build aircraft cables all the time and we use similar connectors I priced this out but never built it. It is definitely an easy way to go if you have to connect and disconnect a ton of times a week.

The downside is like Mike said. The Whirlwind and Radial options do wear after time and trubleshooting is a bit of a pain on a connector with sufficient size to mate to 36 channels. You could simplify a bit by using separate snakes for ins and outs but that would add to expense. ANd for the record the Radial setup just like ou were considering is a pricey little beast.

I opted for a simple patchbay and it has worked out well for my needs. I modified my snake head to Neutrik combo jacks so any send could also be a return if I needed it to be. The Fanout is all TRS at the moment. I need to finance an XLR patchbay so I can use other people's snakes as well.
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I plug in 24 channels and 10 auxes every Night. Its not like the old days of inserting comps gates and eqs. i dont see what the big deal is. It takes me 3 minutes to set up foh and an hour to set up the stage.
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Made my Harting mixersplit my self. Put it on a 2HE 19" panel together with some other connectors and mounted it vertically next to the mixer.
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PvG,
You got any links to parts used for that? It's a pretty cool and simple setup.
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The case itself is a used case that I got from the dutch "e-bay". It was previously used for an old Soundcraft and it just fits. I made a new interior & doghouse for it from some ply-wood and hard foam. Nice thing about this case: it has the same blue color as my Stage Accompany speakers/racks that I own.

I ordered the 19" panel in parts from a dutch web-site. It consists of a frame with panels for different connectors. I guess that these parts are sold all over the world since they are imported from China. Overview of some parts on the dutch site: http://www.new-line.nl/nl/19-inch-onderdelen/58.1?str=multi&s=43

The multipin is a Harting 108p that fits in one of the standard panels. I use the standard AMPCO/NOB pinout that is used over here: it uses 3 pins per channel, so max. 36 channels. It takes one complete evening to solder one connector... Oh, and eh, 1 connector side (! cable or rack) is about ~100 euros, about 0.70 euro per pin...
Next to the multipin, I added some local xlr mic inputs, xlr delay (subgroup) outputs, jack headphone, powercon for supply, firewire (for the SL) and USB (for a soundcard and/or harddisk). All from Neutrik (D-hole). I also added a Shuko (wall outlet) to power my laptop.

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Looks good how is the air flow with that setup?
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Wow,

Those shots are great! Sorry for the late reply. I've been in the studio with bands all weekend from Tubas to Mandolins!

I cannot wait to get my board. I will be doing the wiring myself and wondered if you remember what soundcradt board fits that case?

Thanks for all the responses and help gang!

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arnoldsq wrote:Looks good how is the air flow with that setup?


I have a 8x8cm fan mouted on a ventilation dish in the bottom of the case. It blows fresh air against the bottom of the SL. The air flows underneath the SL (>1inch of space) and along its sides into the doghouse. The air leaves the case through the holes in the sides of the doghouse.

@ Bear: sorry, don't know the type of the Soundcraft. I just searched for a case with the right minimal dimensions and found this one. Lucky me
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PvG wrote:
arnoldsq wrote:Looks good how is the air flow with that setup?


I have a 8x8cm fan mouted on a ventilation dish in the bottom of the case. It blows fresh air against the bottom of the SL. The air flows underneath the SL (>1inch of space) and along its sides into the doghouse. The air leaves the case through the holes in the sides of the doghouse.

@ Bear: sorry, don't know the type of the Soundcraft. I just searched for a case with the right minimal dimensions and found this one. Lucky me


Nicely done.
I'm guessing because of the size of the fan, position, and airflow routing, it is all but inaudible. Nice.
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The fan I mounted is quite noisy. You could mount a more quiet one and/or apply an adjustable powersupply to lower the speed. This requires some attention if you're going to use the board in a studio.
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i think i have for u one reject:
harting 108p that i see on the chassi -I see him as a male
AND ALL YOUR 24 MIC INPUTS ARE FEMALE
so does near the 24.4.2 female connector
even your auxs are male
where u buy that connectores?
 
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