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scottmckenna
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Next time ANY ONE is looking to invest in IEM, let me give you the best option you'll ever find. Unless your guitar player/singer is using a wireless instrument or mic, you're limited to the length of that cord any way right? Why have wireless in ears, when you have a wire from your guitar. Instead of spending $600-$1500 on a wireless in ear set up that you'll have to constantly change frequencies, batteries, and have a loss of quality because of wireless, check this out.

http://www.rockonaudio.com

The rockbox limiter or rockbox package is by far the best thing I could suggest for you no matter what kind of wireless set up you're looking at, and here's why.

Your guitar player/bass player/drummer will think it's wireless any way, because the wire plugs right into their guitar cable and never gets in their way. You'll never have to worry about finding a frequency that works, never change a battery, and most importantly you'll get the highest quality you'll find anywhere, because you're running a straight in connection instead of wireless.

It get betters though. No more having to find a place to set up your wireless in ear set up. The limiter goes right onto your pedal board, or ground, wherever you prefer, and it's set up. If you get to a venue that already has a wedge monitor, all you have to do is unplug it straight from the monitor, and plug it into your rockbox limiter, and BAM, you have in ears.

Best of all, the entire rockbox package including the cable, and limiter is just $199. How's that for a price difference? It comes with no earbuds, but essentially neither do the IEM systems you buy (they come with cheap ones you don't want to use any way) so you can decide which you prefer. I personally use the Shure SE425 ($300), and I love them. They sound great, fit great, and are a great option for an affordable IEM.

I recently switched to the Rock Box Package after using a wireless IEM system, and I was blown away. No fuzz, no cut outs, no loss of quality, just smooth as butter, and works flawlessly. No I don't work for the company, I'm just one of their happiest clients around, because it's the best solution out there.

if you have any questions, feel free to get in touch with me through the forum, I can explain anything you have questions about.

If you decide to buy one, make sure you tell Pete (the owner of Rock on Audio) that Scott McKenna sent ya. He's a great guy with a cool invention.
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hsfinlayson
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Playing devil's advocate:

- And when (not if) the guitar cable goes bad (as they always do) then you're out of luck because the $10 cable they are going to quickly swap it out with does not have the stereo signal cable wrapped into it.

- The box one uses to connect their in-ears to might not fit onto the pedalboard next to the guitarist's first pedal - thus needing a radically different length from the end of the cable to get to his/her first pedal AND to the in-ear output.

- You now have to run a stereo TRS cable across the stage to the pedalboard to provide the stereo mix to the unit.

Again - I think it's a step in the right direction in regards to dead/dying batteries, audio signal degradation, loss of radio connection, etc... but it swaps one set of headaches with a slightly smaller set of headaches.

I use the Shure SE535 buds wired directly to the headphone jack of the SL16.4.2 and "SOLO" my AUX1 mix. So I know what it's like to get a pristine wired connection to the earbuds. If the unit works well for you, then kudos!

Personally, most of the good/great guitarists I know would prefer to steer-clear from In-Ear systems. They want to hear their amp uninhibited... not through a stage-mic' and in-ears. I'm not saying they are right or wrong... just saying most that I know don't like the idea of doing in-ears.

Having said all that... it looks like a really cool solution that MANY people will adopt.
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organsymphony
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hsfinlayson wrote:
- The box one uses to connect their in-ears to might not fit onto the pedalboard next to the guitarist's first pedal - thus needing a radically different length from the end of the cable to get to his/her first pedal AND to the in-ear output.


The headphone jack on the 'amp' end of things is female so it doesn't really cause the issue you mention here...

You now have to run a stereo TRS cable across the stage to the pedalboard to provide the stereo mix to the unit.


No different than running a speakon or xlr to a wedge?

But you still raise some valid points
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Don't get me wrong... I'm not trying to trash the product. Was just in the mood to play the advocate. I'm always into seeking-out alternate means of doing things. I love monitoring hard-wired... and if that solution were the key to getting other players going in-ear, I'm all for it.

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I also used the "solo my aux mix" from teh SL1642 until I got my Sennheiser ew300 g2 system. It worked fairly well, for one drummer who had the board next to him.

Also I've probably plugged it before, but if anyone is near Minneapolis there's a company here that builds custom in-ears. Matrics is the company. Their main business is producing the silicons, etc but the audiologist does this on the side. Customs for under $300 - can't beat that.
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organsymphony wrote:
hsfinlayson wrote:


You now have to run a stereo TRS cable across the stage to the pedalboard to provide the stereo mix to the unit.


No different than running a speakon or xlr to a wedge?

But you still raise some valid points


You compare these with wedges. Now compare these with real wi-fi IEM systems and you'll know running cables long distances to become wireless is crazy!
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scottmckenna
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hsfinlayson wrote:Playing devil's advocate:

- And when (not if) the guitar cable goes bad (as they always do) then you're out of luck because the $10 cable they are going to quickly swap it out with does not have the stereo signal cable wrapped into it.

- The box one uses to connect their in-ears to might not fit onto the pedalboard next to the guitarist's first pedal - thus needing a radically different length from the end of the cable to get to his/her first pedal AND to the in-ear output.

- You now have to run a stereo TRS cable across the stage to the pedalboard to provide the stereo mix to the unit.

Again - I think it's a step in the right direction in regards to dead/dying batteries, audio signal degradation, loss of radio connection, etc... but it swaps one set of headaches with a slightly smaller set of headaches.

I use the Shure SE535 buds wired directly to the headphone jack of the SL16.4.2 and "SOLO" my AUX1 mix. So I know what it's like to get a pristine wired connection to the earbuds. If the unit works well for you, then kudos!

Personally, most of the good/great guitarists I know would prefer to steer-clear from In-Ear systems. They want to hear their amp uninhibited... not through a stage-mic' and in-ears. I'm not saying they are right or wrong... just saying most that I know don't like the idea of doing in-ears.

Having said all that... it looks like a really cool solution that MANY people will adopt.


I'd like to point out some very main points to address that you're not aware of. First off, the guitar cable they use is the same quality cable as Mogami uses in their cables. You can contact the owner of Rock On Audio personally, and talk to him on the phone, and he can send you links to all the cables they use. They are the highest quality cable you can get. Therefore, no worries there. If the cable does stop working, they'll send you a new one same day, before you even send yours back. The customer service is amazing.

Also, the rockbox is so tiny, I can't imagine it's hard to fit this on any pedal board. It's smaller than any pedal you'll purchase, and if you really can't fit it on your board, you can set it right next to it.
Also, you can get a custom cable with any end you want, and any length if you prefer. You can contact Rock on Audio and have them create the lengths to your specs, and connections.

You don't HAVE to run to a stereo TRS cable if you don't want. Even if you run a mono input to rock box, it'll still be in both ears. Sure, you won't get a stereo mix that way, but if you're like most people, you don't have many instruments or things actually panned L and R.

As you said, In Ears aren't for every one, but I've used in ear systems from the best companies available, wireless, and wired, and nothing comes close to this set up. The price, plus the convenience is a huge sell. 99% of guitarists prefer to be wired in directly, and not use wireless guitar rigs, so my valid argument is no point going wireless with in ears, if your wired with a guitar ya know?

Definitely worth checking out.
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scottmckenna
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hsfinlayson wrote:Playing devil's advocate:

I use the Shure SE535 buds wired directly to the headphone jack of the SL16.4.2 and "SOLO" my AUX1 mix. So I know what it's like to get a pristine wired connection to the earbuds. If the unit works well for you, then kudos!
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I've done this as well before with other mixers, but once you have more than one person using in ears, you obviously can't always run through the headphone out. The rock box allows you to run straight from a MONO aux from a board, and get it with great quality to your ears. Also, the available of a master volume control for your ears available is definitely nice.

I'm just saying it's definitely worth checking out. Also, has 30 day trial if you don't like it, return it. Just a thought. I highly highly recommend it.
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The aux outs of most consoles are quite capable of directly driving earbuds or headphones just fine. Of course one should always have a protective limiter in the chain. If one does not have a digital console with same, the RockOn box is the ticket.
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TimmyP1955 wrote:The aux outs of most consoles are quite capable of directly driving earbuds or headphones just fine. Of course one should always have a protective limiter in the chain. If one does not have a digital console with same, the RockOn box is the ticket.


If you run headphones directly out of an AUX channel it will only come in one ear, which is not very useful. You also won't have the ability to have each band member adjust their overall volume if they want more or less without having to ask you to turn it up.
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AirtonPS wrote:[
You compare these with wedges. Now compare these with real wi-fi IEM systems and you'll know running cables long distances to become wireless is crazy!


I don't quite get your point? Also the only brand I know of that transmits in the wi-fi spectrum are line 6... but they don't make an IEM set. yet.
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scottmckenna wrote:
TimmyP1955 wrote:The aux outs of most consoles are quite capable of directly driving earbuds or headphones just fine. Of course one should always have a protective limiter in the chain. If one does not have a digital console with same, the RockOn box is the ticket.


If you run headphones directly out of an AUX channel it will only come in one ear, which is not very useful. You also won't have the ability to have each band member adjust their overall volume if they want more or less without having to ask you to turn it up.


1) Adapter cable. Cheaper than a headphone amp (most of which don't have a limiter).

2) Individual mixes.
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Interesting idea, but what adapter would you be talking about? Also, the musician wouldn't have control of their overall master, but I guess if that's not important, it's not a huge deal.
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scottmckenna wrote:Interesting idea, but what adapter would you be talking about? Also, the musician wouldn't have control of their overall master, but I guess if that's not important, it's not a huge deal.


TS-male --> TRS-female (where the T&R are connected to each other).

By using the iPad/iPhone option each and everyone can mix their own levels and preference of audio if they want to.

(And yes, I know that the iPhone remote isn't released yet )
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I still dont see how this is any different to running xlr to a headphone amp on the floor

is the only difference the guitar cable and headphone cable are wrapped together ?

wireless is the go - keep everything rack mounted - less cables, less connections and less hassle

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