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16.0.2 vs 16.4.2 - The Hidden Differences - A lot more than you think (I Have Had Them Both)
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scottmckenna
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First off, I'd like to state that I have owned both the 16.0.2, and the 16.4.2, and I know them both inside and out. I also want to point out, they are both AMAZING boards, and I know there are obviously going to be compromises with a small board. By no means, do I want any of you to think I'm trashing either of these boards, I love them both, but more importantly I wanted to make a very honest post, regarding some big differences I found that make these boards a lot different than I thought. Hopefully this will help some of you make the right decision.

The obvious differences from the outside are: (these are just some of the main things)
12 XLRs (16.0.2) - 16XLRs (16.4.2)
4 Aux Outputs (16.0.2) - 6 Aux Outputs (16.4.2)
60mm Faders (16.0.2) - 100mm Faders (16.4.2)
3 Band EQ (16.0.2) - 4 Band EQ (16.4.2).

Like many of you, I was very excited about the 16.0.2. I thought to myself, finally a studiolive that is portable, and has all the same features, and does mostly the same thing as the 16.4.2. For the price, nothing comes close.

However, if you're like me, I was really torn between whether it was worth spending $800 more to purchase the larger 16.4.2. After much though, I purchased the 16.0.2, and owned it for a week. After knowing everything there was to know about the 16.4.2, I was excited that they made a smaller version.
Here are the BIGGEST things I found that were very different, that were not clearly described or pointed out to me.

1) Routing FX to Aux Sends (All or Nothing). Unlike the 16.4.2, where you can choose which effects go to what aux sends, in the 16.0.2 you can choose that the effects go entirely to all 4 AUXs, or none at all. this is not convenient at all. There are times when a singer wants reverb in his ears, or monitors, but someone else does not.
-Another thing to point out, the 16.4.2 makes it possible to have a separate amount of any effect into someones aux send. For example, if singer A wants to have a lot of reverb in their ears, you can choose how much is sent to just them. If singer B wants just a little bit of that same reverb, they can have their own amount. That is possible with both effects to all 6 Aux Sends (VERY SLICK).
2) Talkback to Main (NO GO). In the 16.4.2, one button and you can route the talkback to the mains. 16.0.2 does not have that option. To most people, this won't matter. However, I just wanted to point it out.
3) Compressor (Limited) - With the 16.0.2, you only have the Threshold, Ration, Response and Gain on the compressor. The 16.4.2 has Threshold, Ratio, Attack, Release, and Gain (much more control).
4) Meters - The very nice thing about the 16.4.2 is the ability to see your meters at all time in the top right hand display. Obviously this couldn't fit on the 16.0.2 which is why they took it away, but it's convenient to be able to quickly look at the levels of the SELECTED CHANNEL, each sub group, and the main without having to hit a button for input, output like the 16.0.2. This annoyed me more than I thought.
5) Sub Groups - Obviously, the little 16.0.2 does not have sub groups, so let me tell you why they are convenient. At first I thought to myself, I don't need sub groups, I have no use for them. Then I came up with a HUGE reason to have sub groups. Besides the obvious routing of drums, or a lot of channels to have over all control via a subgroup, here is something I didn't originally have in mind, that is awesome to use. EFFECTS. I route FX A to Subgroup 1, and FX B to Subgroup 2, and both those subgroups to the main. Now, instead of using the small knobs on the top of the board to adjust how much is being sent to the mains, I have a fader for each effect to adjust my front of house mix of those effects. Route a delay to one of those sub groups, and bring the delay in and out on that lead vocal with a fader. Very convenient.
6) EQ - Plain and simple, you have more control with a 4 band EQ than a 3 Band. Some may argue there isn't much a difference, but I think it's HUGE
7) Inserts - If you don't know what inserts on a mixer do, then this won't matter either way to you, but if you do, you know it's a huge bonus having an insert on every channel of the board. The 16.0.2 has no inserts, and no aux ins, making your entire effects control based on the board. I like inserts personally.

I could go on and on, but I really just hope I pointed out a few things that I thought were the biggest differenced that made my decision to sell the 16.0.2, and keep the 16.4.2 because of the extra control I truly wanted. The 16.0.2 is small, and amazingly portable and SWEET. For most people, it's probably plenty, and way more than you had with an analog board. My suggestion is when thinking between which mixer to buy, think carefully exactly what you're looking for in a board, and are the things i mentioned important to you.

Both mixers Rock, and PreSonus is doing an amazing job.
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-Another thing to point out, the 16.4.2 makes it possible to have a separate amount of any effect into someones aux send. For example, if singer A wants to have a lot of reverb in their ears, you can choose how much is sent to just them. If singer B wants just a little bit of that same reverb, they can have their own amount. That is possible with both effects to all 6 Aux Sends (VERY SLICK).


This is not a feature od the SL16 but of the SL24

Presonus announced several months ago they were working on firmware that would bring this feature to the 16 but I think they broke it

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scottmckenna
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PhilG wrote:
-Another thing to point out, the 16.4.2 makes it possible to have a separate amount of any effect into someones aux send. For example, if singer A wants to have a lot of reverb in their ears, you can choose how much is sent to just them. If singer B wants just a little bit of that same reverb, they can have their own amount. That is possible with both effects to all 6 Aux Sends (VERY SLICK).


This is not a feature od the SL16 but of the SL24

Presonus announced several months ago they were working on firmware that would bring this feature to the 16 but I think they broke it



I have to correct you on this. It's already possible. Bring up your VSL, and you'll see under each AUX section, you can choose how much of each effect you want in each section. It works perfectly. Perhaps you haven't upgraded your firmware?
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Oh cool will check when my mixer is fixed again

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PhilG wrote:Oh cool will check when my mixer is fixed again


Yes, it's pretty sweet. I haven't figured out yet where the option is on the mixer itself, but the new firmware definitely allows you to control it on the VSL, which is awesome. What else I like is that you can change the amount of effect in an aux on the computer, and then when you unplug the computer, it at least keeps that amount in the auxes as you left it. Which is great. Now, once they put the available option on the mixer to change it, it'll be sweet.
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weird I have not used VSL since the SL Remote update - will have to give it a go

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Scott - Good post! I did not realize the "all or nothing" fx to aux sends. I do wish this wasn't the case.
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fredley wrote:Scott - Good post! I did not realize the "all or nothing" fx to aux sends. I do wish this wasn't the case.


I agree. I wish this wasn't the case either. This was probably one of the biggest decision factors that made me sell the board. As odd at that sounds. I use in ear monitors, and being able to have a different amount of reverb/delays, etc in my ears is a huge thing, and all or nothing just doesn't work out at all for me.
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Ok, I am not getting this personal fx mixes????? I understand the having fx in the auxes, sub mixing them to use a slider, but how can one have an induvidual fx mix and still get a good signal out of the mains???? would you have to run it Pre fader?
Plus I am not seeing this on the VSL eithere. I am all updated on SL remote and Firmware. Am I missing somethig?
thanks!!!!
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Scott,
Thank you for taking the time to do this. I know it takes a lot of thought into writing a post of this manner.

I thought about getting a 16.0.2, however, I think it was designed for the single or duo act midi user(s) more than the full band performers. Mainly a studio mixer rather than a live mixer. It would be a great mixer for smaller shows for me. I counted up to 11 channels that I have used all weekends for the last 6 months. Rarely did I ever use 16 channels in my life band show with up to 6 members on stage.

So, the thought of getting the 16.0.2 has entered my mind. I would bascially be using it as a backup in case the 16.4.2 ever went down, or use it for my Karaoke/DJ shows. However, with out the control of the monitor functions as you described, I think I would rather just have a powered mixer with 8 channels and be done with it. Much less money and control over the Effects to the monitors. Maybe it is the in between of what I want and what I need.

When the new update comes out with the 31 band eq on all 6 aux's, I will be pulling the mixer out of the heavy amp rack and just be bring it in to the room. Set it up on top of my amp rack and be done with it. Or maybe even, just take the snake out and run everything into the amp rack with it left in it. Not a really be trade between 80 pounds of amps to 80 pounds of snake.

Sorry, got off subject! Thanks for the update!
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Hi,

I didn't own any of the StudioLive mixers yet but I'm in the decision phase.
On thing, that came to my mind when reading the specs was, that 16.0.2 doesn't allow to access the main output via the FireWire interface while the 16.4.2 does.

Can anybody confirm this?
I wrote to PreSonus twice but didn't get an answer yet.

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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 16/06/2011 17:13:50

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scottmckenna wrote:
PhilG wrote:
-Another thing to point out, the 16.4.2 makes it possible to have a separate amount of any effect into someones aux send. For example, if singer A wants to have a lot of reverb in their ears, you can choose how much is sent to just them. If singer B wants just a little bit of that same reverb, they can have their own amount. That is possible with both effects to all 6 Aux Sends (VERY SLICK).


This is not a feature od the SL16 but of the SL24

Presonus announced several months ago they were working on firmware that would bring this feature to the 16 but I think they broke it



I have to correct you on this. It's already possible. Bring up your VSL, and you'll see under each AUX section, you can choose how much of each effect you want in each section. It works perfectly. Perhaps you haven't upgraded your firmware?


Sorry about the last post. Can you post a screen shot on this one. I am not seeing it in the VSL?????
All my systems are updated as well.
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3gig Ram
Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
Macbook Pro 15"
Capture 2
Studio One 2 Producer (Home, and Live Rig)
JBL PRX615M High/Mid/Mon
JBL PRX618XFL Subs
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Great post!

I think everyone thinking about buying something as sophisticated as an SL owes it to themselves to all of the research they possibly can to find out exactly how that gear functions, and whether the features match up properly with their needs. A whole lot of grief could be saved by a whole lot of people if they committed the time to investigate features and operational considerations in advance.

The kind of info you've highlighted here is a great example of the need for people to do just that. You've shed light on differences that will be of great interest to people considering the SLs -- you just don't get that kind of helpful detail in marketing materials very often, and you may have helped someone to avoid the discomfort of finding out the hard way that things work differently than they thought.
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kevinr6969 wrote:
scottmckenna wrote:
PhilG wrote:
-Another thing to point out, the 16.4.2 makes it possible to have a separate amount of any effect into someones aux send. For example, if singer A wants to have a lot of reverb in their ears, you can choose how much is sent to just them. If singer B wants just a little bit of that same reverb, they can have their own amount. That is possible with both effects to all 6 Aux Sends (VERY SLICK).


This is not a feature od the SL16 but of the SL24

Presonus announced several months ago they were working on firmware that would bring this feature to the 16 but I think they broke it



I have to correct you on this. It's already possible. Bring up your VSL, and you'll see under each AUX section, you can choose how much of each effect you want in each section. It works perfectly. Perhaps you haven't upgraded your firmware?


Sorry about the last post. Can you post a screen shot on this one. I am not seeing it in the VSL?????
All my systems are updated as well.


neither am I Checked last nite and couldn't see this feature

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