Messages posted by formula428

The hp60 is modifying the signal, which is intended because the iem's are not powered.

However, I've also ran everything using the headphone out jack in the front of the console. No hp60 was used.

Either way, same result. The live volume is quieter than the recorded volume.

The in-ears are setup as follows:

Linked aux 1+2, mix set there
Out of aux 1+2 @ unity on the aux knobs
Into hp60 headphone amp L+R
Volume at 12 o'clock (50%)
Out to in-ears

So, what is the difference in that when I'm playing live, versus when I'm using the FW unit from a recorded session? Even the tone of everything sounds a little different. It's there some setting with the FAT channel relating to FW input? I think I'm going to save the scene, and then zero the console out and record it like that, and then playback everything and compare. I'm almost leaning to something in the FAT channel that is off, or not engaged.

When in the signal path does the FW input start? Pre or post FAT? Again, it almost seems like the fw input is post FAT, because of the less than desirable tone. And that would almost make everything louder, since my compressors and eq cuts aren't active.

Does my logic make sense here?

Tested everything out again. Ran the IEMs from both the Aux 1/2 and from the headphone out. Played a song and then listened back. In all cases, the recorded version was louder. Yet, when I looked at the meters during recording it was about -20 per VSL. During playback, it was also -20 per VSL. Visually, the studiolive (it's tough to see the exact number because I'm behind the kit) it the same too, and matches what VSL is saying.

I'm completely lost for this one. I looked at the monitoring, but it doesn't appear to influence anything related to playback volume.

Any other suggestions?

In the meantime, I may upgrade to 2.6 version for $10 or whatever.

EDIT: I upgraded and still the same situation. The output coming from the S1 v2 appears to be the same, but the output on my IEM (aux or main) is significantly louder.

I thought at one point that purchasing an SL got me give free version upgrades. Maybe I'm wrong though. But I do see 2/5 on my login/account. $10 is cheap, though.

Something I just thought of.

In s1, when the record is armed but not actually recording, can you listen through the software in real time?

In other words, is the signal looping from s1 to SL to s1 and on and on, even while nothing is recording? I would think that would show up as a significantly louder input/output, but just asking.

V1.65 is what I downloaded off of the website. What is the best way to upgrade the version? Also, is firmware 1.50a the last release for the 16.4.2?

The chain is such for recording and playback:

16 mics (xlr) --> studio live --> computer --> s1

and my IEMs are: studio live aux 1/2 --> hp60 --> iem

For playback, I literally pressed the fw input buttons for all the channels, verified the output assignments in s1 (ch1= ch1, etc.), and expected to hear what I just played/heard a few minutes ago, without me playing. That volume from the aux 1/2 wasn't clipping and appeared to be the exact same as when I recorded it, but it wasn't. It was instead much louder. Also, the channel levels/input appear to be correct just as I recorded them. I will verify this, though. Oh, and I also didn't record the main bus, just the channels.

Could something be multiplied via fw input? It's not distorting via signal, because when I turn it down it's clean. It's just a volume issue going to the iems or something. I'll check if it's in the main l/r or just the aux, too.

After getting the SL 16.4.2 console in 2009, I finally upgraded my PC to use StudioOne, though I have used it before on other computers.

I recorded a song of me playing drums. Made sure the DIG OUT was turned OFF. I got good levels, although probably a little hot but nothing crazy. Anyways, I went to play it back in StudioOne. Made sure my I/O was setup for that. Selected all the FW Input buttons on my SL16.4.2.

I nearly blew my ears off. I was expected it to play as I recorded it in my IEMs. It was at least 500% louder. The interesting part is that the levels on the SL look exactly like I recorded them...both for the channels and the auxiliaries.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: I determined that something is definitely multiplying the signal. If I turn my headphone amp WAY down, it's clear. However, at normal level (that I would use live with my IEMs), it's distorted and tremendously loud. What would cause this difference? It is because the signal from the PC (FW Input) is now a "line level" signal and no longer at microphone level?

I have UC 1.6, the SL unit says 1.50a Build 188.

I have 1.50a. Is this the most recent?

No, I was using Cakewalk Sonor 8 PE.

Anyway, it was actually my father who was recording his guitar and operating the console. He must have pushed something. I tested it out myself with a scratch template and everything is fine. Maybe he saved something into the template or pushed a button without noticing and messed with the tuning/pitch like others had suggested.

All is well, SL1642 still performs flawlessly after nearly 3 years of service!

First off, love the new forum layout. Much easier to read.

Anyways, I've never had a problem with this console and I don't really consider this a deal breaker.

I don't record much where I end up multi-tracking. But, I was using Sonor CakeWalk 8 and I noticed that my SL 1642 plays back (say a guitar recording) at about 1.5 steps lower than recorded. So, if I recorded a strum in "D", it would play back between "C" and "C#".

I checked the bitrate, sampling, etc. Nothing seems to be a problem. And this has only happened since the latest firmware (I was previously running 1.12 before upgrading).

Any thoughts? Any diagnostics I can do? Thanks.

rockstardave wrote:omg -

you use ping pong delay?? ug

I was doing sound for a table tennis tournament.

Just kidding, that's not even my VSL -- just a pic I found online to reference since I'm at work.

What I mean is that it isn't reflected on the EQ curve (to the right). Yes it shows up as 62.5 in this example on the left, but it is not reflected on the right. See below.

Also, how do you access the Aux Fat Channels in VSL?

I've only done it a few times with my actual (limited) rig.

FOH, 6 wedges (4 mixes), 24 channels went for $300 each time.
FOH, 3 wedges (2 mixes), <16 channels went for $200.

Although I'm still debating whether to buy a second SL16 or just go SL24, I did upgrade to the latest and greatest fireware from v1.12 (pre-VSL) on my S16 a couple days ago.

I only gave it a quick glance when playing around, but does the HPF show up in the EQ curve in VSL? I didn't think it did (which kinda sucks) but I'm at work and curiosity is killing me.

Thanks!