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StudioLive General Discussion » cross post - question from prospective buyer » Go to message
Thanks for the tip. I really like that laptop shelf as well. Very cool.

Speaking of...I went to look at laptops today. After seeing lots of issues with Dell and other brands firewire interfaces on many message boards, I added the mac back into the mix. When I went to compare head to head, it was a landslide. The macbook pro is much sleeker, sexier, brighter, more simple with less buttons, and has a much better display. It wasn't close.

Now to justify the price...
Live Sound » Spectrum Analyzer2 » Go to message
The Behringer ECM mic is very flat and has been tested against much more expensive units. Google will turn up these tests. I have it and the mic which comes with the AudioControl RTA. They are very close and I feel confident with either. I don't fully agree that a 1/3 EG and an RTA are usless. I have many years of contradicting proof. However I have a FFT and plan to get SMAART when I get a laptop. This dog can learn new tricks and I will likely use all of these tools.

As for the parametric, I always had both on the FOH. The advantage of the graphic is it can make more adjustments than the parametric. Of course the parametric can in turn adjust areas outside of the 1/3 octave bands. Why not use both?

Although just getting back into a semi-regular live gig, I play with with stereos yearly. My main one is razor flat and sounds as good as anything I have ever heard (including Wilson Watt Puppies). My EQ is digital and I use the graphic for flattening and the parametric section to tame the worst of the low peaks. The results are stunning although it helps to start with good speakers.

And lastly, as stated in my original post, most folks find a flat system very thin so I used addition low end. YMMV
StudioLive General Discussion » cross post - question from prospective buyer » Go to message
Guys, thanks for all the help. It's nice to know the young sound studs are willing to help an old fart who hasn't lost the passion (or insanity).

Here are some answers and more questions.

o Yes, I fully understand the expensive hobby thing. This is someone who owns a 30' high end offshore fishing boat. Let me tell you about expensive hobbies. The entire purchase I am considering is less then just the radar in my electronics setup.
My concern wasn't the cost as much as would I be able to get enough usage given the live shows will number 4-6 yearly. I spoke with my bandmate/DAW studio buddy last night and he is excited to work with me so doing the hobby recording will provide some usage of the gear.

o We will indeed by contracting S/L but in the past I have been at the mercy of either clueless or slacker engineers. Also much of the new outboard gear is software driven making it difficult to walk up and get what you want. In the analog days I could find my way around most any decent unit but menu-driven devices require product specific knowledge. Often there isn't time so I ask the rig guy for a 1.5s plate and 125 ddl while feeling lucky to get that. I am amazed if they have any idea how to set a gate or a vox comp.
So in a nutshell, having my own outboard gear is just as attractive as owning the console. I would essentially own and fully control everything up to the system drive/xover.

o RTFM - LOL! When I was getting ready to return to college, I was training my replacement. I probably used that term daily. Even crew and band members would joke with the phrase. This was 84-85 timeframe. I'm not saying I coined the phrase but I darn sure was an early adopter.
And yes, I have the manual for the 24.4.2 already downloaded and partially read. I'm like Scotty - I LOVE to read manuals. In my sound days that was about the ONLY way to gain additional knowledge. Well, that and screwing things up the first time.

o I am still looking at laptops. I get the advantages of the macbook and have not ruled it out. However there are two issues. One is the relative cost and the other is that fact that I am a senior Windows developer. All of my systems, software, and work is on the Windows platform. But I am still looking at all options.

o The iPhone app and external interface/mic I mention is made by Andrew Smith of Studio 6 Digital. He did Sencore and other units and really knows the biz. They are working on SMAART for the platform as well. Very cool stuff. I also bought a AudioControl RTA from ebay last year in mint condition for $300. Patience is the key.

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o Is anyone running the VSL on a Dell, HP, etc laptop? I am considering the Dell Studio 15 and the macbook pro. I am also looking at reburbished units on ebay. Any comments on that approach?

o I read somewhere that the gator case cannot hold the board while in use. Is that correct?

I am looking at laptops today. Tomorrow starts our rehearsal schedule. I plan to make a decision in the following week. At this point it will be the SL if I go forward. The Yammie 01V doesn't seem to have as rich a feature set and is only 16 channels without additions.

Thanks all for answers, opinions, and patience.
cam
StudioLive General Discussion » cross post - question from prospective buyer » Go to message
I am considering a return to sound engineering/recording (hobby this time) after 25 years. While I have dabbled a bit since the pro days, I have learned a great deal of the new technology recently. I have narrowed my choices for a console to the Yammie 01V and the 24.4.2. The LS9 looks nice but more than I wish to spend. I am leaning towards the StudioLive for several reasons including the Fat Channel, recording support, and price. A little background.

o 6 years full time touring FOH
o had the absolute best of everything (except console) in the 80s (including one of the very first Lex 200s in the US)
o close musician friend who has a DAW and has a good hobby studio
o very tecnhical and computer literate (principal software developer for #1 company to work for in US)
o band from 80s is planning a series of live shows (4-6 a year)
o I want a live console for a few shows, ability to work the DAW studio with my friend, record all the live shows
o biggest concern (to buy or not) is getting enough usage to justify the expense

Based on this the 24.4.2 seems to fit the bill. I have been through all the literature, ProSoundWeb board bashing, Presonus videos, and 1/2 of the manual (I am recouperating from minor surgery so I have a lot of time this week (-:

So now some questions (more to follow). Thanks for any and all help.

1. Does this console seem like the right fit? Live shows will be limited but much more opportunity to work with DAW.
2. what is a good case (Gator has a molded case recommended by dealer)
3. What is the best laptop to interface for VSL and recording? Looking at MacBooks but pricey. Do they work better then Dells? I have seen issues with the chipsets so I'd prefer to start out with the proper gear since I don't have a laptop now.
4. I have an iPhone and S6D app and AudioInterface. Probably get an iPad soon so the MacBook integration is attractive. Can this be done on a Windows7 box as well?
5. How good is the digital reverb? I am spoiled by Lexicon and am considering an outboard. Any recommendations?
6. Can the internal fx returns be routed to a fader or are they only controlled in the fx sections.
7. Any other gotchas, recommendations, etc?

TIA
cam
Live Sound » Spectrum Analyzer2 » Go to message
Perry, I just registered to get some info on the 24.4.2 and saw your post. Tuning a system is both and art and a darn religious war. You will get a lot of contradicting opinions but I will tell you what works for me. I did this full time for 6 years and well before there was ANYTHING written down except Mix Magazine. IOW - I had to figure it out by talking to folks and experimenting. I recently bought an RTA and have the iPhone S6D app and mic/interface. I have worked with both of my home stereos over the years so the technique I used in the 80s is still valid.

o make a mix tape of good reference material. Something that sounds good and that you know how it is SUPPOSE to sound. My first tune was, is and will always be "Hey 19" by Steely Dan. Why? It covers the entire frequency range, has great layering and separation of frequencies, and still sounds great against todays recordings. Use a variety of material that covers good lows, vocals, and crisp highs.

o I start by getting the system flat. Use the xover first (many overlook this). Next adjust the 1/3 octave. Attack peaks first, valleys second. Don't get too extreme but try to get flat within +- 3db. Allow for some rolloff at the extremes if your FOH can't support below 40 and above 16K.

o When flat as possible, I apply some additional low end. I'n my case I just turned up the subs a bit (18 db/oct @ 150). The resulting curve will show a shelf of 6-9 db with the corner around 125. Why? Just play some good material and you will see that records are NOT mixed to be played on flat systems.

o fine tune as needed. Flatness in the midrange will make a system sound very smooth, Good vocal recordings (male and female) will quickly point out peaks in the 400 - 2K range. Colbie Calliet, Brandi Carlile, Taylor Swift all sound awesome on a well tuned system.

o Note the ear will hear a peak of some frequency much more than it will a valley. A system flat except for some slight valleys will sound better then one with slight peaks.

o you ear is the final word. Once you know what your reference should sound like, you will know when the system is as good as possible. Don't forget to run the reference material flat.

o be aware that room reflections can make a great system sound average. Sometimes you have to do the best you can. New software like SMAART helps address this but a crappy sound room will always sound bad. Just get your system to sound as good as possible.

Good luck!

PS: Our system at one time had a ton of Peavey CS800s. Folks were in shock when they looked at the racks but they sounded as good as anything else - including Crowns. Only problem was the power switches failed soon after first use )-:
Pre-Sales Questions » General questions during the research phase » Go to message
I am considering a return to sound engineering/recording (hobby this time) after 25 years. While I have dabbled a bit since the pro days, I have learned a great deal of the new technology recently. I have narrowed my choices for a console to the Yammie 01V and the 24.4.2. The LS9 looks nice but more than I wish to spend. I am leaning towards the StudioLive for several reasons including the Fat Channel, recording support, and price. A little background.

o 6 years full time touring FOH
o had the absolute best of everything (except console) in the 80s (including one of the very first Lex 200s in the US)
o close musician friend who has a DAW and has a good hobby studio
o very tecnhical and computer literate (principal software developer for #1 company to work for in US)
o band from 80s is planning a series of live shows (4-6 a year)
o I want a live console for a few shows, ability to work the DAW studio with my friend, record all the live shows
o biggest concern (to buy or not) is getting enough usage to justify the expense

Based on this the 24.4.2 seems to fit the bill. I have been through all the literature, ProSoundWeb board bashing, Presonus videos, and 1/2 of the manual (I am recouperating from minor surgery so I have a lot of time this week (-:

So now some questions (more to follow). Thanks for any and all help.

1. Does this console seem like the right fit? Live shows will be limited but much more opportunity to work with DAW.
2. what is a good case (Gator has a molded case recommended by dealer)
3. What is the best laptop to interface for VSL and recording? Looking at MacBooks but pricey. Do they work better then Dells? I have seen issues with the chipsets so I'd prefer to start out with the proper gear since I don't have a laptop now.
4. I have an iPhone and S6D app and AudioInterface. Probably get an iPad soon so the MacBook integration is attractive. Can this be done on a Windows7 box as well?
5. How good is the digital reverb? I am spoiled by Lexicon and am considering an outboard. Any recommendations?
6. Can the internal fx returns be routed to a fader or are they only controlled in the fx sections.
7. Any other gotchas, recommendations, etc?

TIA
cam




 
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