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brandall
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It's a dangerous trap to fall into if devs start listening to every individual user who comes along asking for a feature.

Studio One is lean and efficient right now. It's clean to look at. It simply cannot, and shouldn't have to have every feature in existence. If it does, then it will lose everything that makes Studio One what it is. I mean, if they bloat it down with every option and every feature, but lose the workflow, then why would somebody then choose Studio One over the previous host they used that already had the features?

So here's the thing. Studio One already has more features than people realize, right under their noses. It's on VERSION ONE, and about to go version 2. The devs have shown that they have a specific vision in mind, and they should never waver from it too much. If you keep a vision, it allows you to built a more unified program that is easy to use, yet powerful.

It's not about how many features you add, but how well you implement the ones you do add. Period. Sure, you'll alienate a few users who say they will switch if you just add this "one feature", but that's the nature of the game. Studio One has progressed so fast even in only it's first incarnation. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that version 2 will be another leap forward and will probably win over even more people.

But please, no matter what Presonus do, they need to keep the vision. They need to stay the course, adding features that benefit the users without destroying the workflow. And I'm confident that doing this will gain much more support than adding every feature.

That being said, I really do think many people don't even see the CURRENT potential of Studio One even without version 2. Once you start looking, it's amazing the little things you can already do!

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brandall wrote:It's a dangerous trap to fall into if devs start listening to every individual user who comes along asking for a feature.


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I would agree with you Brent, I think we are saying the same thing, they can implement as many features as they like providing they integrate seamlessly. Take Media Bay in Cubase, great idea so poorly implemented, now take that as an idea, that could have development time spent on it and could become a really useful media management tool, remember Presonus is in this to make money so they have to attract new users whether they are potentially migrating from another DAW or new to recording and looking to dip their toes in the water.
The problem for Presonus is they are the newest developer to an already oversaturated market. We have
Ableton Live
Pro tools
Logic
Cubase
Sonar
Samplitude
Reason
Reaper
Digital Performer
Fruityloops

Lots of choice there, so why would any user of the above make the switch? From what I read its disgruntled users fed up with not being listened to by the developers and are hoping that a new DAW will give them what their current software does plus more.

I was at a recent demo of the new Reason 6 program and the host asked what DAW people were using, a few Cubase and Logic users, quite a few Live as well as Record users, yet no one except the host had even heard of Studio One. I hope that Presonus market v2 aggressively otherwise the take up may not help the future development of what is potentially a good program.
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here! here!

I must agree that there is more untapped potential in Studio One than even I have found in Version 1... I'm still coming to terms with some of the
more esoteric (and downright amazing) features of 1.65, and I Work Here!

I must admit, that I am one of those "just this and that feature for me to change" guys... That said, my list is short and more based around playing
the DAW as a live instrument rather than for recording/editing/arranging duties. For those things, S1 is my DAW of choice. The features coming out
in V2 are so dog-gone powerful and groundbreaking, that I will be using S1 for the entire creative process from now on and only using Ableton to play
live with.

As a 9 year veteran of Ableton Live, that is saying ALOT!

Cheers,

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CubaseUser wrote:The argument that they can't just implement ideas because someone asks for them doesn't stand for me.


I actually don't see anyone making that argument. What I said was the "If you add X I will switch over..." gets said every day on just about every DAW forum I've ever been to and rarely is it literally true.

Listening to users and their wants, and giving them some of what they want, is one thing. Depending on some random subjective view about what would make people "switch" is quite another. Again, it seems to be a kind of psychological ploy by DAW users to get their particular wants to be given a higher priority. It doesn't seem to actually work... well.. unless a lot of current users are saying the same thing, then it becomes a really popular request.

Anyway, it's not their first rodeo. There's not much out there that they don't know about already... as relates to popular features.
The problem for Presonus is they are the newest developer to an already oversaturated market.


I think (mmv and all that) this is where it starts to get wacky at times. We aren't PreSonus stockholders, we're customers. The "market" is what it is and they'll do whatever they think is best for the business. Not sure why so many of us (including me, I've done it also, granted) tend to try to "run" a company who just sells us things. We're customers... not business executives of PreSonus.

Maybe we all (collectively) should stop trying to steer the ship so much as relates to the lower level business and just buy the product they sell or, if we don't like it, don't buy it.

Let's face the reality... none of us have actually built and marketed a mass market high level DAW so we don't exactly have any experience with that stuff.


All of the above is imo, mmv, not arguing with anyone, yada, yada,,, best regards to all.

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CubaseUser wrote:
Lots of choice there, so why would any user of the above make the switch?


There are tons of reasons that would make users want to switch to S1 but IMO Reason, Live and Fruity are different things that are often used side by side with traditional DAWs. The real idea is to persuade new consumers to buy S1 rather than coaxing people to switch and PreSonus has a huge advantage being a major hardware manufacturer.

People always look at things from the perspective of a consumer but to understand a companies product and its future development you must use the mind of a businessman.
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kreeper_6 wrote:People always look at things from the perspective of a consumer but to understand a companies product and its future development you must use the mind of a businessman.


. That's very true Kreeper and it's fine for the general conversations which can be very interesting. However...

... (and you already know this, so I'm preaching to the choir obviously )... we don't have any of the relevant data. It's all guesswork based on mostly what we personally like and prefer and/or based on the opinions of people who enjoy talking about that kinda thing on the net and what they assume may be currently happening internally one way or another.

So what I personally (or others) may view as a "business problem" for them may not actually be a problem at all ... ? ... if their sales figures and/or profits vs. salaries and expenses actually say the complete opposite of that.

We can't know that either way so it's all (our "business advices" when we speculate) mostly just random guesswork.

If I had to make a totally random guess, I'd say their hardware sales probably went way up since they released Studio One... so it may not even be designed as a profitable venture onto itself... dunno. Or it may be wildly profitable by itself already, dunno.

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CubaseUser wrote:I would agree with you Brent, I think we are saying the same thing, they can implement as many features as they like providing they integrate seamlessly. Take Media Bay in Cubase, great idea so poorly implemented, now take that as an idea, that could have development time spent on it and could become a really useful media management tool, remember Presonus is in this to make money so they have to attract new users whether they are potentially migrating from another DAW or new to recording and looking to dip their toes in the water.
The problem for Presonus is they are the newest developer to an already oversaturated market. We have
Ableton Live
Pro tools
Logic
Cubase
Sonar
Samplitude
Reason
Reaper
Digital Performer
Fruityloops

Lots of choice there, so why would any user of the above make the switch? From what I read its disgruntled users fed up with not being listened to by the developers and are hoping that a new DAW will give them what their current software does plus more.

I was at a recent demo of the new Reason 6 program and the host asked what DAW people were using, a few Cubase and Logic users, quite a few Live as well as Record users, yet no one except the host had even heard of Studio One. I hope that Presonus market v2 aggressively otherwise the take up may not help the future development of what is potentially a good program.
Why would anyone make the switch? Because all the hosts above are inherently different, and every host on the market does certain things better than others.

Why did Reaper join the game, for instance? It was the "new kid" and it is doing just fine. Studio One, in it's first version, has huge support for it's young age.

Note that I didn't say Presonus shouldn't listen to customers. Quite the contrary. However, they shouldn't listen to every request that comes down the pipeline. When that happens, you get clutter and bloat because you're trying to please everyone. That's something that is IMPOSSIBLE to do since everyone on this planet works differently from one another.

Studio One has it's own excellent workflow. Listening to and implementing every request will, without a single doubt, destroy that workflow. So instead, they need to implement features that FIT into the vision for Studio One. Or take some time to figure out how to make them fit, at the very least.

You can listen to customers without appeasing every single person who posts in a forum. You also have to do your best to please CURRENT users who may want to upgrade with each version. I think if you took a poll of Studio One users, you would get definitive results that the workflow aspect of Studio One is it's number one selling point. Imagine if they just started throwing in every feature because somebody asked about it? It would be a mess. I can think of more than one host that has gone the way of "let's throw more and more on top of more and more and we'll fix the workflow later", and it actually drives people away from those hosts(no names being mentioned on purpose, as this isn't a comparison post).

Studio One has something going for it. It's a powerful host with a great workflow. The only way to keep it that way is to stay within the vision why they created it in the first place. I promise you, Studio One has gained more ground than you may think.

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I kinda like this:









Why discuss about other DAWs - I got used to that workflow - and if everything works that way (like the drag & drop definitely did in Version 1) I doubt to find something better.

The question is: When can we order it? When will it be there?
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And they just set the videos on "private"
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MarkusHassold wrote:And they just set the videos on "private"


I wonder why?

Can we watch these please?
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Because Germany had another cow over them showing these videos!

Posted elsewhere from Jonathan regarding these videos:
"The video slip was not intentional, rather a slow response on youtube settings changes."

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Videos set to "private" at least give those who bought S1 pro from day one a chance to see whats new first

V2 better be good I been waiting 2 yrs for this, titles on videos not quite a eye opener.... just yet of course, 7 days and counting

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reversoulmusic wrote:Videos set to "private" at least give those who bought S1 pro from day one a chance to see whats new first

V2 better be good I been waiting 2 yrs for this..............



Listen bro, long before S1 there was the hardware side of things. For instance the M-80 mic pre and many far more costly and commitment based PreSonus products. I'm there.

Anyhow.
Let's see the videos.



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come on guys we know it will be awesome
fuck..I cant wait
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