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funkafize
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Firstly I apologize for discussing a competitors product and fully understand should the mods wish to remove this thread.

I ask here because i know many StudioLive users like myself came from the Mackie Onyx series of mixers (1640 myself).

Here's the situation; My Macbook Pro is currently running on OS 10.5.8 quite hapily with the StudioLive and the Onyx1640 (not the newer "i" series). I want to upgrade to Snow Leopard 10.6._onwards so that I can take advantage of my 8gig of ram and move to 64bit. I know the StudioLive is happy in Snow Leopard land and i believe Studio One Pro for Mac is 64bit so all sorted thanks to PreSonus. But I'm not sure how the onyx 1640 likes Snow Leopard. I really dont want to lose functionality with this board as it still gets its fair share of work, mostly hire out for live recording.

So I ask Mac Snow Leopard users who had/have a mackie onyx desk; do they cooperate? Are you having any troubles? And what build of Snow Leopard are you using?

Cheers.

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You know in a pinch, if you need the Mac to boot in 32 bit you can do that. Also, you will have to configure Snow Leopard to boot to 64 bit natively
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I use 10.6.4 OsX +Logic pro and there is no problem at all, but since I buy SL there is no chance to power up my onyx again, because my SL is so much better.
funkafize
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PREROCK wrote:since I buy SL there is no chance to power up my onyx again, because my SL is so much better.


haha agree.

My onyx goes out on rentals to venues and other bands when I'm not going to be present. If it's a gig/rental that I'm going to be around tho, always my StudioLive, makes me sound better haha.

Thanks for your reply
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http://www.everymac.com/systems/appl...ody-specs.html
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skinfrakki wrote:You know in a pinch, if you need the Mac to boot in 32 bit you can do that. Also, you will have to configure Snow Leopard to boot to 64 bit natively


Actually, it always boots 32 bit natively. You actually have to hold 6 and 4 down during startup to get 64-bit mode, to which I have yet to determine the real-world advantage.

Im pretty sure onyx users aren't limited to 10.5 and before
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funkafize wrote:
So I ask Mac Snow Leopard users who had/have a mackie onyx desk; do they cooperate? Are you having any troubles? And what build of Snow Leopard are you using?

You might get a better or quicker answer if you ask on the Mackie forum what version of OSx successful users are running (or maybe you already have and didn't get doodlysquat). I can tell you that a lot of Mac users have problems with the Mackie Firewire I/O. Mackie has used a lot of different chips and I believe I've read about Mac troubles with all of them. Being a Windows XP user (the BridgeCo Onyx Firewire card works fine on all of my computers) I can't keep up with all of those ten-point-something changes with the Mac OS that seem to always break the audio chain.

The original Onyx Firewire card is a discontinued product, so if it doesn't work now, it won't work later unless Apple changes something in the OS. The last Mackie documentation says OS 10.3.5 or later, but of course they didn't test it with "later."
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funkafize
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Thanks for the replies everyone, and to the PreSonus mods for allowing me to ask here. Thought I would post it here also as the Mackie forums are a fair bit quieter. But low and behold i received an answer and it seems i should be fine with 10.6.4.

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QSC HPR 122i(x2), 153i(x2), 181i(x2)

Macbook Pro early 2009 15.4"
http://www.everymac.com/systems/appl...ody-specs.html
Mac OS X 10.6.7 (10J869)
Model ID 5,1
2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
8 GB 1067 MHz DDR3 RAM
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Good idea to have a clone of your current hard drive before you upgrade the OS. I was going to suggest that but I wasn't sure if there's a suitable program for the Mac to do that, or how much bother it is to swap out disk drives. I use Norton Ghost on my WinXP computers.

But since we're talking about the Onyx 1640, I discovered a problem with mine a few months back. Mackie doesn't want to talk about it, but I found another owner who's a very competent engineer (and, incidentally, like me, has some previous association with Mackie) who, when I described the problem to him, tried it with his and discovered that he could duplicate it.

In a nutshell, when there's anything hanging on the channel direct output - either a snake attached to the DB25 Recording outputs or the Firewire card plugged into its ribbon cable (they're both taken from the same point in the circuit), with the preamp gain nearly up full and the channel fader around the Unity position, the channel oscillates at some frequency between about 250 and 400 kHz, depending on the Trim setting. I was able to create the problem by connecting a capacitor across a channel's Recording output to simulate the cable capacitance.

Of course you can't hear the 250 kHz at the output, but it's enough to light up the bottom two channel meter LEDs. And the fun part is that when you have two or more channels oscillating, you can hear the beat between the ultrasonic frequencies at the output, sounding like a whistle that changes pitch as you vary the Trim.

I also have a 1220 and 1620 and neither of them share this problem. It's just with the 1640. That part of the circuit is identical in all the models, but the 1640 has different op-amp ICs, which may have more gain at high frequencies.

Odd that I've had the mixer for half a dozen years now and never noticed that, but then I don't use it a lot. I discovered this when I took it out of mothballs to use at a festival this Summer and, since I hadn't turned it on for a year, decided to check it out to be sure everything worked. Someone asked about recording to a computer, so I pulled the Firewire card that normally lives in the 1220, put it in the 1640, and that's when I noticed the oscillation. I removed the Firewire card, and the problem went away. I connected the snake that I would have used to go to my HDR24/96, and it came back. This was an all-acoustic Celtic/Irish festival and it's not uncommon to use all the preamp gain, so that's why I was checking it with the gain all the way up. Lower than about the 3 o'clock position and there isn't enough gain for it to start oscillating. That's enough gain for rock'n'roll, but not enough for quiet guitars and voices.

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funkafize
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Hi mike,

I think i read about that discovery you and a colleague had made. Never experienced it myself but then I haven't had the gains that high from memory. Will have to give it a try out of interest and hear it for myself when i get home (interstate at the moment).

For those interested in cloning a mac drive i recommend "Super Duper" or "Carbon Copy Cloner". Physically replacing a hard drive in a macbook pro is quite easy, iMacs are more involved.
StudioLive 16.4.2 (Firmware 1.13, Build 159)
Universal Control (Version 1.2.2715, UC Driver Version 3.5.5.10705, SVN:2715)
Capture (Version 1.1.112213, Built on May 4th 2010)
Studio One Pro (Version 1.6.0.13233)

QSC HPR 122i(x2), 153i(x2), 181i(x2)

Macbook Pro early 2009 15.4"
http://www.everymac.com/systems/appl...ody-specs.html
Mac OS X 10.6.7 (10J869)
Model ID 5,1
2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
8 GB 1067 MHz DDR3 RAM
Seagate 500GB, 7200RPM
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