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Problem with Studio One and Behringer X32 using X-UF card
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robertgoldberg
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Hey all. Sorry if this post is going to get long but I need help and I don't think I'll get it if I don't give lots of background of what my setup looks like, what I've been trying to do, and the results.

OK, 11 channels of instruments, vocals, etc coming into the X32. X32 X-UF card connected by USB cable to my laptop. My laptop is a core i7 with 8GB of ram and a pair of SSD disks, running Presonus Studio One V2 Professional.

Today my new band was supposed to be recording demos for our new website. I had everything all set up last night. I genuinely believed I had everything right.

I had the click track turned on. I was not hearing anything. So I set the aux 1/2 source to be card 1/2 on the X32. Then when I turned up the aux channel on the x32 I heard click. I am not sure if that's how I am supposed to be integrating click track into my recording using Studio One.

I guess I should mention that I had the X32 headphone output connected to a headphone distribution amp and everyone was wearing headphones to do the recording.

So I would set a tempo in Studio One. I would set the click for two measures of pre-count. Then I would arm the channels (11 of them) and hit record. The precount click seemed to be fine. HOWEVER, as soon as the 11 channels starting playing and recording into Studio One on the laptop, the click seemed to slow down and get completely off from the music. I'm not sure if it was the entire recording process that was slowing down or just the click.

I tried various buffer sizes thinking it was a latency issue. I should mention that I am very new to all this recording stuff so I am struggling a bit. Been up almost all night for three days watching Studio One instructional videos to get this far.

I just don't know what I'm dealing with. We ended up recording without any click track. Of course editing is going to be really challenging since the measures of the song our band was playing don't line up with the measures of the DAW program.

So I really need help to understand what is going on:

1. Do I have the click track set up wrong in the first place? I could not hear any click until I set the AUX source on the X32 to CARD 1/2 and turned up that AUX channel. Is that the right way to do it or am I set up wrong for the click track. Is my song setup wrong in Studio One?

2. Does this issue have anything to do with latency? I thought it did but I may not understand exactly what can cause the latency yet or whether this slowing down of the click beat (and probably the whole program) is a latency thing or something entirely else.

We have lots more recording to do and I really want to get to the bottom of this. I paid for Studio One V2 Professional and I paid for a very beefed up laptop. I need to determine how to get a normal consistent click track to record to at a constant tempo so I can do normal traditional editing once we've laid down the tracks.

Please folks, especially those who use the X32, jump in and help me. I will be so grateful to anyone who can help me get to the bottom of this anomoly.

Rob
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As I said on the other forum, the aux routing sounds like the way to go for your daw click and anything else being two-track.

My suspicion is that you have accidently altered the tempo track for your tempo isn't fixed tempo. Latency has nothing to do with this. Latency is only an issue if you need to monitor some return sound from your daw, like a guitar amp vst fx, and not for normal tracking and recording.

If you don't need to monitor from your daw use a larger latency since an extremly low latency may cause pops/clicks in your recording and you won't notice until you play back the recording.

Create your own click track by using samples or impact and verify your tempo track.

Three weeks ago I multitracked a recording using more or less the same setup as you did. The only difference being that I used the p16m for the monitoring. At most I tracked twenty channels in one take (drums and bass) and then added guitar and vox one by one.

In my case the drummer had a problem following the click and not the other way around

Get the p16m if you can since your band members will love the ability to mix their own stuff. You can also use the iphone app to have headphone mixes if your headphone amp can use the output of several auxes.
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robertgoldberg
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I just looked at the tempo tracks of a few tunes. It seems that if the tempo track had unwanted entries in it, then I would see slowdowns during playback as well. I don't. Once we recorded using no click track and ignoring the measure boundaries in the DAW, everything recorded fine and plays back fine. It has something to do with using the click track and trying to record to the measure boundaries in Studio One.

I really appreciate all the help I can get. Unfortunately I have not solved my anomaly yet. So I still need more help. If I can get to the bottom of this, everything else seems to be set up really well and working. I will be able to make some real progress.

I tried doing some editing this morning of some of the stuff we recorded yesterday. The tools are all working and the files are all good. But with the music not in perfect step with the DAW and the measure boundaries being ignored, edits that should normally only take a moment or two do are taking much longer.

Any other ideas of what I'm doing wrong? Obviously since other people do this and my hardware resources are pretty robust, I know I can do this successfully. I just don't know who to ask to get help determining what I'm doing incorrectly.
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Strange indeed...

What happens if you play back the tracks (you can mute them temporarily) and listen to the click track? Does it still change in tempo?

Also, try using the windows audio driver for your internal soundcard (not the wdm driver for the x32) to verify that everything else is ok.
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