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Why do I see "Layer 2" track below the new mono track I recorded?
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donaldbaarns
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I'm missing something that is probably simple, I'm hoping you can set me straight.

I'm new to recording with S1V2, and just recording a single mono track. When I record, S1 is automatically displaying a "Layer 2" track below my recorded track. When I look at some online tutorials for S1V2 recording, I don't see that track in their display.

Questions:
What is that track about?
Why does it display?
Can/should I hide or remove it? Pros/cons of either action?
Is there an options setting I can toggle to show/hide these tracks?

I can see with a right click, I can hide/delete it, but I still don't understand why it even exists.

I appreciate all ideas, feedback or links to details so I figure it out myself.

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Windows 8 - 64 bit
Studio One Artist v. 2.6.2.25590 Win x64

FinalSaga
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Hey Donald

The layered tracks are actually a very good thing I think
Say you got vers one perf the 1st take - or a bit of it
Blah you decide you record it again from the top (the 1st one is still there as layer one)
Say when done you have like 5 layers
You can actually bring back what you like from previous layers as the main and keep the best takes
So in the end you can make one perfect

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donaldbaarns
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FinalSaga wrote:Hey Donald

The layered tracks are actually a very good thing I think
Say you got vers one perf the 1st take - or a bit of it
Blah you decide you record it again from the top (the 1st one is still there as layer one)
Say when done you have like 5 layers
You can actually bring back what you like from previous layers as the main and keep the best takes
So in the end you can make one perfect

Ch33rs
Saga


Thanks, I appreciate the response!

I certainly see their value when I do a punch in or add multiple takes.

I simply don't understand why it defaults to "Layer 2" when I recorded one complete 45 second track with only one take. It appears to be a perfect duplicate of my first track, so that doesn't make sense to me.

Why automatically show two versions of what I just recorded? (No multiple takes in this example.)

I love the ability to do multiple takes on different layers and get the previous generation if desired.
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Hey Donald
I see what you mean - You probably have 'record to layers' enabled
check options to see if that record to layers is ticked almost at the bottom - turn that of to get rid of them

Even on a single take it will show you a layer

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Edit: I'm mostly a Cubase guy Therer it doesn't show with just one layer - I assumed

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Record Takes to Layers.. As mentioned make sure it is off.


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donaldbaarns
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FinalSaga wrote:Hey Donald
I see what you mean - You probably have 'record to layers' enabled
check options to see if that record to layers is ticked almost at the bottom - turn that of to get rid of them

Even on a single take it will show you a layer

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Edit: I'm mostly a Cubase guy Therer it doesn't show with just one layer - I assumed


Thanks Saga (and Steve).

Yes that was the issue.

So here are my follow-up questions to anybody who knows.

Why would I turn this option on? (I don't remember turning it on, but I don't remember if it's the default after install, and I certainly could have turned it on, I'm learning...)

I realize you can't tell all the reasons I may want that on, but I'm curious why I would want both the track and a layer at the same time.

In other words, I'm sure there are some situations where some people always record to layers, or that option wouldn't exist.

I'm happy to read, or watch tutorials, or otherwise RTFM, so please feel free to just point me to resources if there is not an easy answer.

I do understand that I'm responsible to educate myself, all feedback and references welcomed.

Don


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Hey again Don

There is no point really in having it activated if you are only going to record once on a track
It becomes really useful when you record over the same tracks twice or more. When you do that, you will
have the options of using bits from both takes and make one perfect one
You can cut the recordings on the layers and bring the best bits forth as the top layer for the best result

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Layers are used in what is known as Comping.. A very useful feature of Studio One.

Ala compiling a single file/track out of multiple takes.. Each one recorded in a layer (as already mentioned)
see below..

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FinalSaga wrote:There is no point really in having it activated if you are only going to record once on a track
It becomes really useful when you record over the same tracks twice or more.
Saga

Well... I wouldn't go quite that far.

Layer are also primarily "edit layers", places to store alternate edits and/or arrangements, and a kind of non-linear undo, so they do have multiple positive uses outside of just comping multiple takes. I actually use them way more for general editing than comping, like before I make any kind of complex edit I duplicate the layer.
donaldbaarns
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I really appreciate the insights as to why they may be displayed and how people are using them!

I'm recording audiobooks, so the complexity is in different areas.
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@LMike

lol yeah mate, that's quite true

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