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Getting a16.4.2AI Next Week - Advice Needed
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jimbasara
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Hi,

I am pulling the trigger on a 16.4.2 AI next week for my band and I've been reading the manuals and spending hours on the forums. I chose StudioLive because of some of the advanced functions, like scenes, and because of the live recording capabilities.

I've been using Studio One for a year or so now, just to mix band recordings that we've done with feed from an analog mixer, so it's fair to say that I am not a sophisticated user of sound processing software. So, I have two main questions...

1) Would you advise that I focus on getting familiar with the board, including playing a gig or two, before tackling the computer/software side of things? It seems that is where the complications come in and I'm wondering if it is tackling too much at once putting the whole rig together and trying to figure it out.

2) I'm pretty terrified with all of the discussions about pc incompatibilities, almost to the point where I was considering staying with an analog board. I REALLY do not want to have to get a mac, because my main computer is a PC and that is where I will do all of my editing/production. I'd rather spend my time making music and not learning how to use a mac.

Please tell me if I understand the current state of affairs. I've read hundreds of forum posts on the topic but some were old so things may have changed.

a) The Thunderbold cards are not yet available, so I need a Firewire connection.
b) The most reliable path seems to be buying a laptop with an ExpressCard slot and purchasing an approved Firewire card for it. The type of PC doesn't appear to be important if using the ExpressCard method. I'm planning on just going to my local computer store and picking up a mid-range laptop with an ExpressCard slot. It seems some folks are having success with laptops that have Firewire ports, but that seems to be a situation where some work and some don't and there is not list of supported/approved laptops.

Please let me know if any of my assumptions are not correct. This is a huge purchase for me and I am REALLY trying not to make a mistake.

Thanks. I look forward to participating in the forums.

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1. Take it one step at a time. We all started somewhere. I needed mine for gigs first, so I learned the mixer part first. Recording was a secondary feature for me at the time, so I moved on after that. There are letter all hundreds if not thousands of YouTube videos out there to help you along. Even the videos on the old mixers can help as the basic overall system functionality is the same to a user. By this I mean you still feed inputs, apply processing, route them to auxes, effects, subgroups, and/or mains. You still apply GEQ and run Smaart if you want. You still open VSL and control the mixer (VSL-AI). And you still open Capture 2 or Studio One and record the tracks. AI mixers have some slightly different ways to do things - mostly due to added features - but learning from the old videos wouldn't hurt.

There's also a book out there that I highly recommend it's this one: http://www.amazon.com/PreSonus-StudioLive-Mixer-Handbook-Official/dp/1470611287/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1403448599&sr=8-2&keywords=StudioLive

2. I have a Mac but you don't need one. There are many people on here using PCs successfully. You're headed in the right path. Although I'd suggest making sure it has thunderbolt as well so you can upgrade when it comes out someday.

a. Yes, you need FireWire
b. Sounds like a good plan
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jimbasara
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Thanks so much for your helpful response.

I am correct that I do not need to have the computer to use it for gigs, right? I haven't been able to actually find that in print anywhere.

Also, if I were to opt to go Mac on this, can I simply download the files to my PC and open them in Studio One, or are they not compatible? I'm really torn on this issue. From everything I've read, a Mac would be vastly more compatible, and the fact that it is going to be used for nothing but working with the StudioLive probably means I won't have to become a Mac expert. I would just transfer the files to my desktop PC and do all the editing there.

Thanks again.

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You do not NEED a computer, but many of the controls are MUCH easier on the computer (PEQ mostly for me) plus it adds Smaart tools. Also, with the AI series mixers, you will have some functionality ONLY accessible through VSL due to limitations in the hardware knobs/buttons/etc. Like the Q setting on the PEQ for one.

What you are describing for the Mac is EXACTLY what I did. I got the Mac only for audio and live sound use. But it turns out once I got used to the Mac, I just kept the files on the Mac and mixed/mastered there as well rather then move to my PC.

I still use my PC for almost everything else I do. But for recording and live sound mixing, I am now 100% Mac. YMMV...
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StudioLive 16.4.2; StudioLive 328AI (x2)
AudioBox 22 VSL; BlueTube DP V2; FaderPort; Monitor Station; FireStudio Project (x2)
Studio One 2 Pro 2.6.2 (64 bit)
I use Gobbler to back up my projects.
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jimbasara
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Thanks again.

And just to confirm that I understood what I read here in the forum...

If I go Mac, I need one with a Thunderbolt 1 port on it (not a Thunderbolt 2 port) and get the Tunderbolt to Firewire adapter? I guess all of the new ones have the 2 on them, so this would point me toward a used Mac. Any other advice on the specs would be appreciated.

Also, since this is the route that you took, before you moved all of your editing to the mac, were you successful at transferring files from the Mac to the PC and editing them on the PC? Just want to make sure I'm not buying compatibility issues.

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Thunderbolt 1: Correct. Although I've heard of people getting Thunderbolt 2 to work. I'm just not sure on this one.

Thunderbolt-to-FireWire adapter: Correct. Although if you get a used Mac, you might have FireWire on it already.

Specs: I got the cheapest Mac (early 2011) and upgraded the RAM to 8GB and I'm fine. I do want to upgrade more (RAM and hard drives) someday, but I've never had much of an issue, nor the $500 for what I want to upgrade to.

Mac Editing: I wouldn't say I moved my editing to the Mac. I never moved it to the PC to begin with. But I have sent projects to bands I've worked with that were PC users. The basic files are just WAV files (and MIDI if you use that) and they are universal. And the .song files are mostly just XML so they're portable as well.
I am Sir Melvis Bacon, Knight of BaconHam Palace.

MacBook Pro 13. OS X Mavericks - version 10.9.3
StudioLive 16.4.2; StudioLive 328AI (x2)
AudioBox 22 VSL; BlueTube DP V2; FaderPort; Monitor Station; FireStudio Project (x2)
Studio One 2 Pro 2.6.2 (64 bit)
I use Gobbler to back up my projects.
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