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benjamincenters
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I have been playing drums for a long time and want to start recording. I have no experience with running sound and how things should be eq'd.
I have purchased high quality gear over the years for playing live & want to get the great sound I am used to in a live setting to transfer to recording. I have searched forums and YouTube, there is so much information out there that it has become overwhelming & I do not know where to start. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. I play rock & worship music. If anyone is interested in my gear, I have the 1818vsl. I am running studio one 2 producer, & JBL LSR2328P's. My drums are Custom Anchor Drums in mahogany & walnut, meinl byzance series cymbals, and Heil sound hdk-8 mics. I also have 2 Audix f-15's, mxl 990/991, 2 sm57's , sennheiser e609. I have a pretty nice room to record in aswell
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Start with the Glyn Johns and Recorderman setups and go from there. There are plenty of videos and posts on how to set that up. In this setup the overheads are the primary mics and you blend the snare and kick to taste. Great for soft style music.

This way you get a feel of what works and what's missing. Experiment with the placements of the kick and snare mic. The placement can give you very different results and will be the core of your sound if you use them as primary mics. Try to minimize the hihat from the snare mic as much as possible.

On my kit every item is mic'ed plus I have ambient mics. This uses up to 20 channels. The downside is that it is a lot of mics and channels but the upside is that I can 'reconfigure' the mic placement later in the mix by selecting/muting the channels to taste. In this case my overheads/ambient mics are secondary on the mix as I am using the close mics as my primary sound. Works great on hard rock. I for one dislikes when the cymbals are buried in the mix and sound like they are in a different place of the room to the drums. I also like the click of the stick hitting the cymbals.

Here is two mixes of the same recording. One is mixed using the snare mic only and the other one is using a multimic mix.

http://soundcloud.com/roblof/jonas-trumtest-v1-1-2-snare/s-J4AD3
http://soundcloud.com/roblof/jonas-trumtest-v1-1-2/s-5ElC4

I love the sound of the snare-only mic!

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benjamincenters
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Awesome, thanks for the help. With the Glyn Johns do you recommend condensers for the overheads? Does it matter? I actually use Heil PR-30b's for overheads and they are a dynamic mic. I can use the f15's if need be.
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roblof,

Nice post! I'm just a learning hobbyist, that records guitar at home, using drum software to go with my songs. Maybe some day I'll have the privilege of working with a real drummer, in a real band. Anyway, the name Glyn Johns sound so familiar. I think I've seen his name in the production credits of my old vinyl albums. Did he work with the Rolling Stones? For some reason, when I see that name, it reminds me of when I was a kid looking through the liner of the Stones' Tatoo You album (and others). I gotta find that thing now. Is this the guy I'm thinking of?

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Google is your friend:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Glyn+Johns&oq=Glyn+Johns&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

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benjamincenters wrote:Awesome, thanks for the help. With the Glyn Johns do you recommend condensers for the overheads? Does it matter? I actually use Heil PR-30b's for overheads and they are a dynamic mic. I can use the f15's if need be.

Depends on the signal levels you get from the mics. If the signal from the Heils is weak then you have to push you mic preamps, which is bad for noise levels. Condensers are more sensitive so may be the better choice in said situation. Or use really quiet mic preamps.

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benjamincenters
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here are links for the spec sheets on each of the mics, What do you think?

Heil: http://www.dxstore.com/download/pr30.pdf
Audix: http://www.audixusa.com/docs_12/units_archive/F15.shtml
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The Heil spec doesn't give the mic's sensitivity. Suggests that the mics are for close mic'ing only. But hey, you have them so give them a try
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benjamincenters wrote:Awesome, thanks for the help. With the Glyn Johns do you recommend condensers for the overheads? Does it matter? I actually use Heil PR-30b's for overheads and they are a dynamic mic. I can use the f15's if need be.

I'm no gear snobb so I try whatever I have in most situations.

Like putting a sm57 in the hole of the reso on the kick. Just because someone else does it one way doesn't mean that you can't go a different route.

Once I was doing sound for a live show and I forgot to mic the guitar amp. Realizing this somewhat late I didn't have time to find the 'right' mic. So, I took a mic that normally wouldn't be used for micking a guitar amp (don't remember what mic it was) and it sounded and worked great in that situation. I was plesantly surprised!

What is the best mic - A neumann tlm103 or a behringer c-1. It depends on your application and what YOU are after. Like I mentioned earlier I like cymbals to be together with the kit in the mix. But if you check many rock songs you'll notice that the cymbals are very often mixed in a way that makes them sound as they are far away from the drum kit. Obviously those mix engineers doesn't share my thoughts about cymbals in a mix, but none of us are wrong either since it is all about personal preference and how you percieve things.

The key is to experiment a lot with what you have already. Find out what may or may not be missing from your point of view and find a way to add that missing bit to fullfill your soundscape.

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Dont fall into a trap of thinking your gear is holding you back. Use it until you know its holding you back.
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.....funny thing.....I actually recorded more music when all I had was a cassette 4-trk!

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cristofe wrote:.....funny thing.....I actually recorded more music when all I had was a cassette 4-trk!


...and enjoyed it more.
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mwright137 wrote:
cristofe wrote:.....funny thing.....I actually recorded more music when all I had was a cassette 4-trk!


...and enjoyed it more.


Tru dat!!

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Just found a box off 4 track cassette "masters" in the basement. Now I have to find a machine to get them into my DAW.
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I did that last year........had a bunch of 1/2" 8-trk and cass 4-trk masters......and no machine for either of them!
Bought a Tascam 38 for the 8-trk's and a 424mkII for the 4-trk's transferred all the tapes and turned the
machines back around......for a profit...he...he...he....

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Monitors: Yamaha HS50M's

DAWS/VST Hosts: S1 Professional, Plogue Bidule, Xlutop Chainer, Sieb VSTHost & Savihost

Hardware Synthesizers: Roland SH-32 & XV-3080 RedSound Darkstar XP2, Novation X-Station, Yamaha AN200, M-Audio Venom

Hardware Controllers: JL Cooper CS-10 Control Surface, Yamaha EZ-EG, Dillion Les Paul style acoustic electric guitar with Roland GK-3 pickup and GI-20 converter.

The Rest: Guitars, Amps, Stompboxes, Mics, Outboard Gear, VST plugins...too much to list!
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