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JoseDrums
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Okay so I have been using Studio One since well forever, and have recently gotten into EDM which literally uses dozens of midi tracks. This is the second time that when I save and open studio one... Half the F**** files are either changed to earlier versions or just completely gone. I check the auto-save and even the files that got auto-saved are the same. I know it's not something I am doing because the tracks get completely messed up where it could not possibly be a mistake....

I have to now restart repunching the midi which hopefully I will remember.

Seriously guys...
This is just ridiculous
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Sorry to hear you are having problems.

As always, I recommend you use the 'save as' function as often as you can. I use it at least twice per session, and simply use progressive numbering. Typically my projects end up with the last number in the twenties or thirties. This will give you a safety net in case your project
suffers corruption.

Now, the problem. Can you confirm all tracks have timebase set to 'beats' and not 'seconds'? Can you confirm your timebase is 'beats'?

Personally I don't use 'autosave'. I like to 'save as' in case I make a blunder and want to go back. Having 20 or so sessions also means
I can go back and see if any of my trashed ideas can be reviewed. It's also nice to go back and listen to the mix at an earlier stage, and
assess whether I am turd polishing or not.

The only other thing I can think of is whether you are using 'Rewire' for anything. This can change some parameters if you start your devices in the wrong order.

I cannot suggest anything else to fix this, but it sounds frustrating. Hopefully someone else has experience of this and can suggest a fix for you.

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JoseDrums wrote:Okay so I have been using Studio One since well forever, and have recently gotten into EDM which literally uses dozens of midi tracks. This is the second time that when I save and open studio one... Half the F**** files are either changed to earlier versions or just completely gone. I check the auto-save and even the files that got auto-saved are the same. I know it's not something I am doing because the tracks get completely messed up where it could not possibly be a mistake....

I have to now restart repunching the midi which hopefully I will remember.

Seriously guys...
This is just ridiculous


You are basically stating that you are incapable of human error. Are you absolutely sure that's true?

You say a) you have been using Studio One since forever, and b) you recent got into EDM and using literally dozens of MIDI tracks. That means you are not experienced in using that area of the vastness that is Studio One. So your conclusion that Studio One is altering files could very well be a supposition, not a fact.

One area I would investigate is using multi-timbral VSTIs which can get confusing. Things like having Local On or Local Off affect reliability and predictability. Having just one thing off in your Keyboard or Instrument setup can affect predictablility.

You didn't say if you were using External Instruments or not; they have their own parameters which have to play nice with S1's parameters.

And so on.

Please provide more information so we have a better chance of helping you.

Now that you are probably calmer than when you posted, you probably realize that there would be many more posts like yours if S1 typically altered files by itself.

This might be a good time to become one with your bong.

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I haven't come across this issue, but I've read others who have. SO, what I don't remember is if they were to blame or if this is an anomaly.
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I've had this problem recently as well.... never able to figure out what the cause was. It didn't matter how often I saved the files or created backups... It was always midi related. (for me I thought that sonic academy's ANA synth may be the problem) in the end i either had to play the parts over, or I opened old back ups and had to import piece by piece. for example - one song file may have my Verse Bass midi, while another saved version of that song file would have the Chorus... VERY strange and annoying, but that's how i got around it. Best of luck. just curious... are you using the ANA synth as well?
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I certainly had to work through a bunch of issues to get my MIDI working solidly ... but it was mostly a matter of familiarizing myself with how S1 saw the world and finding an equilibrium with how my MIDI devices saw the world.

During the course of working through all that I noticed how having one setting of the dozens if not hundreds that were in the equation that was off really messed things up.

So I would never say it's definitely the op's fault ... it's not impossible S1 is the culprit by any means ... MIDI is capable in S1 without being its strong suit ... I mean there's only one DAW that brags, "Look ma, no MIDI! and it's the one whose forum we're on ... but I suspect there's one setting that's off somewhere.

A control surface or a controller can also create mischief because it relies on different aspects of MIDI, too.

Have those of you who've experienced similar problems done everything in your power -- post here with detailed description, write support tickets, scour the internet, read tutorials, etc. -- and still feel it's the program?
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If it's more than one person, then the chances of it being a bug/etc grows. But like I said, I haven't run into this.
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Hey guys, I began just saving in multiple locations using the save as function. Also I found a solution to the problem: Everytime you make a copy of a midi file to another track make sure you hit "merge files" on it and that will turn it into it's own seperate file. I realized all the missing/changed midi clips were all linked to other ones.

And in reply to Mistere: It is fact that it is studio one. I also use Ableton and this has never happened.

The main 3rd party vsts I use include all of Izotopes products, Sylenth 1, massive, fm8, a few TAL and DB vsts, Kontakt, Addictive Keys, nexus 4, and a few effect vsts....
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Ok, here is the solution:

Don't use dots in your track names, e.g. "E-Gtr." or "Dist. Bass". That's it!

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Timo Hohnholz wrote:

Don't use dots in your track names, e.g. "E-Gtr." or "Dist. Bass". That's it!


I find it easier to just not do EDM

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Mistere is wrong... I have had this issue as well and not with MIDI... I recorded a Live gig with studio one, just the stereo board mix into tracks. I opened the session and did some minor editing all the while I was saving the session and renamed it twice and saved those as well. Next day i go to make some WAV file and it is not there nothing... no renamed file it simply did not save the sessions. a few other time similar things have happened... I did a mix session, imported tracks and a little editing... saved the session.. next day... it's not there... protools, reaper, Ableton never does this just Studio One... and this is on different machines too... this is random and not happening all the time, just every now and then.
I thought it was me or my PC but no way to tell... so I make several copies of sessions too... at least you can hope it keeps it and its there for the future... Hope!
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Please re-read my comments and you will see I never said it couldn't possibly be Studio One.

That said, there is a difference between Studio One performing operations the way it performs them and your expectations of how Studio One should be performing them ... which are often expectations that it should be conforming to how other DAWs handle various MIDI operations.

For example, I really wish Studio One created a mixer (Console) track for MIDI tracks played on External Instruments. The fact that I expected it to and it didn't really threw me initially. Eventually, I came to realize there that's just how S1 does things. At that point I faced the choice of adapting or moving to another DAW. I decided there was enough to like about the rest of the program that it was worth it to put up with one aspect of S1 performance I wasn't in love with. And that I could "train" my MIDI devices to accommodate S1's way of doing business.

So until I'm proven wrong for sure I still suspect the anomalies reported are caused by expecting S1 to act like other DAWs and being disappointed that it doesn't.

Since it seems everyone including myself has discovered reasonable workarounds to what we initially considered flaws in S1's MIDI operations, I'm going to need more proof of S1's randomness to admit I'm way off base -- which I'm not above doing.

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salvadoredelle wrote:Mistere is wrong... I have had this issue as well and not with MIDI... I recorded a Live gig with studio one, just the stereo board mix into tracks. I opened the session and did some minor editing all the while I was saving the session and renamed it twice and saved those as well. Next day i go to make some WAV file and it is not there nothing... no renamed file it simply did not save the sessions. a few other time similar things have happened... I did a mix session, imported tracks and a little editing... saved the session.. next day... it's not there... protools, reaper, Ableton never does this just Studio One... and this is on different machines too... this is random and not happening all the time, just every now and then.
I thought it was me or my PC but no way to tell... so I make several copies of sessions too... at least you can hope it keeps it and its there for the future... Hope!


How old is your hard drive?

Does Studio One ever ... just every now and then ... give you messages about your hard drive? Just every now and then S1 gave me such messages, like maybe twice a month under hard use. However, after replacing the hard drive which worked correctly 99.9999% of the time, I've never seen one.

Regarding randomness, the only randomness I encounter is with the Recently Used Files. It seems like there's some randomness in whether or not the last used file appears at the top of the Recently Used Files list. But I'm not ready to declare that it couldn't be anything I'm doing or a save setting that I have missed.

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To Mistere: I can see what you're saying. It just seems that having clips not delete themselves is a reasonable expectation for any DAW. Also one question to everyone else. Ever since I've used JBridge I have forgotten to make sure the new file names don't include the ".64" Could this also be part of the problem. Should I just rename the track itself in studioone? Or should I go back and change the name on the actual vst folder?
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JoseDrums wrote:To Mistere: I can see what you're saying. It just seems that having clips not delete themselves is a reasonable expectation for any DAW. Also one question to everyone else. Ever since I've used JBridge I have forgotten to make sure the new file names don't include the ".64" Could this also be part of the problem. Should I just rename the track itself in studioone? Or should I go back and change the name on the actual vst folder?


I'm glad Timo's tip about the dots helped.
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