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tngawang
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Need some advice .
I have a presonus 16.4.2 and speakers and sub from qsc model such as kw153 and sub kw181. K12 etc. At the moment I have been running my sounds through presonus 16.4.2 to the qsc speaker directly and nothing else, I like to improve the sound quality, so was thinking of buying a cross over. can anyone suggest me a cross over or any additional equipments, or do I really need it'? Or is there anything else I should be looking at?
salvadoredelle
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absolutely not... those speakers are some really nice speakers and sound great! they are actually a perfect combination with a studio live board... they have crossovers built into them and unless you are doing something fancy what do you need a secondary crossover for? I would recommend a speaker management unit like a DBX drive rack that is a xover too but you actually have all you need in the board and those speakers... a drive unit is a good tool to have in your rack though! there are several ways to run subs depending on how you use your system and for what... A good purchase for your system would be a computer for recording and VSL and a router and iPAd and a cupla used older model iPhones for qMix. I use 2 of my old iPhone just for qMix... do you have a calibration mic? you should learn the smaart features on your board so you can calibrate your system to the rooms you play in... and that will get you a lot farther down the road then a crossover...
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tngawang
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Thank you so much for the information. Yes I was thinking of buying the Dbx, but I am going to hold that for a moment and learn the smart feature. I do have everything that you have mentioned except the calibrate mic, and that's what I am gonna do, any suggestion on type of mic?
I use my sounds for live music and some dj.
salvadoredelle
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DBX makes one and so does presonus... I have em both and they are cheap under 100 bucks either one works just fine.

watch the videos on the presonus smaart applications and how to do it... there is a learning curve and if you can set up your system at home and mess with it that will get you going...
just google presonus smaart and you will get a boat load of tutorials on line!
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Yamaha C7 Grand Piano w/ professional MIDI (NOT a disklavier player piano but a real MIDI interface on a real C7!)
tons of outboard gear and synths, Kurzweil RM-250/PC88/ EmU E4 EX Turbo,
Spector NS2 Bass, ART Tube preAmp, Old Kay upright bass, G&L Strat /Taylor Acoustic Guitars, Mackie / QSC / JBL 4628B cabaret (Old School) / and Meyer ULTRA SERIES UPA/UPJ/UP-JUNIOR/UPM/UMS/MM4/MTS4 Speakers are the best you can get!
tngawang
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Thank you
rpark
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I have the Presonus PRM-1 Microphone. It is low cost, well built, and works very well with the SMAART analyzer system. I've used it to set PA mains as well as studio monitors, and you'd be amazed at the improvement in sound that can be had once the speakers and board are set to reproduce sound properly.

It comes in its own case so you can keep it with the mixer and use it whenever you set up. Quick, efficient, and it works! The best $100 you can spend for something to go with your Presonus StudioLive.
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tngawang
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Thanks
I just bought the dbx rack 2 and the mic, so I will be tweaking around.thanks again
TimmyP1955
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The dbx will do nothing for you. I recommend that you return it.
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salvadoredelle
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Actually the DBX will do some useful nice things for you... you can make up a little gain between the board and your speaker system!!!... I use a Symetrix Jupiter 8 speaker management device on one of my 2442 systems and and a BSS omni drive another and I use a meyer Galileo on the AVID and Soundcraft... On my Midas Analog I use an old school Meyer LD1A line driver and a CP10 sterep PEQ... add an Omni if I need delay... they are a bit more advanced than the Presonus Smaart and together they are great... I use the drive racks to set the system up and the Presonus Smaart to touch it up and tweak it during the show. using these boxes I don't have to have a PC up and running...
I also find the Studio Live consoles have less output than my other console... no problem! i make up for it with the drive racks...
now... your QSC speakers are designed to work together... so you don't really need the DBX for a crossover... but it's great for all the other features it has.

watch out for the noise and stuff.. i have blasted my system hitting the wrong buttons on a DBX... bad eyes---fat fingers!!!
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Open Labs Nikko XXL Windows XP Based master workstation / Presonus Firstudio Tube / Presonus Studio Live 24.4.2 (2) / Studio Live 1602 (1) / StudioLive 16.4.2 (1) w/ Mac mini and ipad / Capture / Protools / Ableton / Reaper / OMS / Studio One artists & pro / Midas Venue live mixers (3) / Sound Craft 24x8x2 analog live mixer / AVID SC48 Digital console with digital snake/ Various Meyer Sound systems Ultra Series Speakers / Protools Control 24 controller/mixer with Mac tower running protools. Tannoy SRM12B Studio Monitors (old school and still sound great!) Meyer HD1 studio Monitors.
Yamaha C7 Grand Piano w/ professional MIDI (NOT a disklavier player piano but a real MIDI interface on a real C7!)
tons of outboard gear and synths, Kurzweil RM-250/PC88/ EmU E4 EX Turbo,
Spector NS2 Bass, ART Tube preAmp, Old Kay upright bass, G&L Strat /Taylor Acoustic Guitars, Mackie / QSC / JBL 4628B cabaret (Old School) / and Meyer ULTRA SERIES UPA/UPJ/UP-JUNIOR/UPM/UMS/MM4/MTS4 Speakers are the best you can get!
Walker Revels
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No DBX for me .... it's just a 31ban eq with 28 bans what

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lowdbrent
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The new PA2 has more filters. You don't need 31 bands of graphic in a PA, especially on the very extreme high and low. Most horns are going to drop off at 14 to 16k, and you will most likely high pass the subs at 40Hz. The parametric EQ is where the real tuning power is. The feedback and problem room frequencies are likely not going to be on the ISO centered graphic frequencies.
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I use a Ashly Protea 3.6 , works great and easy to understand. I also use a Ashly KLR3200 amp on my LA 400s, solid as a rock..
Oh and Ashly is made in the good old USA... Great gear...
presonus 24.4.2
Studio one,2 pro
Mac Book Pro,Ipad,Ipod,Iphone,airport express,
ithis, ithat, ieverything, "Presonus made me do it"
6 yamaha DSR 112
4 EAW LA 400
2 EV ELX 118P
2 Mackie 350
3 Line 6 wireless and lots of wired mics, I think I'm up to about 42(anybody know of a cheeper hobby?)
coustom cases for everything
TimmyP1955
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The speakers have all the crossover and protective filters and limiters that they need.

The mixer has everything you need to tune the speakers to taste and/or for room problems.

There is nothing to be gained by adding any additional gear between the mixer and the speakers. If you want better sound, start with better microphones.
http://www.padrick.net/TP_Audio.htm
talmen
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TimmyP1955 wrote:The speakers have all the crossover and protective filters and limiters that they need.

The mixer has everything you need to tune the speakers to taste and/or for room problems.

There is nothing to be gained by adding any additional gear between the mixer and the speakers. If you want better sound, start with better microphones.


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talmen wrote:
TimmyP1955 wrote:The speakers have all the crossover and protective filters and limiters that they need.

The mixer has everything you need to tune the speakers to taste and/or for room problems.

There is nothing to be gained by adding any additional gear between the mixer and the speakers. If you want better sound, start with better microphones.



Absolutely agree.
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