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Low Latency Cue Mix in Cubase 7
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thomasgusenleitner
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Hello

since a few Days I'm a proud owner of a Firestudio Project. In Studio One I can use the low latency cue mixes with send effects. My main DAW is Cubase. Can I use this low latency feature in Cubase too.

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I believe that has to be setup in Control Room in Cubase........people on the Steiney forums might be able to clarify
this better.

When Cubase 4 was launched, back in 2006, one of the many new features was the Control Room, an integrated monitoring environment which emulated the master section on a large-format analogue mixer. A new Studio Sends view on the main Cubase mixer allowed up to four cue mixes to be created completely independently of other mixer functionality, while a separate Control Room mixer implemented talkback, metronome routing, surround fold-down and other relevant features.

The Control Room has always been a great idea in theory, but for me, and no doubt some other Cubase users, its major practical drawback was that initially it could only be used if you disabled ASIO Direct Monitoring. If you didn't have utter confidence in your soundcard's ability to operate at very low buffer sizes without fouling up, it was safer to disable the Control Room, raise the buffer size and use your soundcard's mixer utility to create cue mixes, despite the relative inconvenience of this approach.

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Control Room in Cubase is not the same as the "Z" cue mix option in S1.

The "Z" button allows you to avoid routing of audio from the FSP via Firewire into your PC and then into your DAW, then back to your main outs or other outs (that will generate the most latency in your whole system). The audio stays in your unit and will be directly routed from the in's to the out's.

Cubase' Control Room feature allows you to mimic a studio console with different routings for recording and monitoring i.e. via headphones, so that you can mix different levels for the needs of your musicians. But that is all done in software/in your DAW, no hardware control for direct monitoring is used.
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vaikl wrote:

The "Z" button allows you to avoid routing of audio from the FSP via Firewire into your PC and then into your DAW, then back to your main outs or other outs (that will generate the most latency in your whole system). The audio stays in your unit and will be directly routed from the in's to the out's.


is there something like the "Z" button in cubase? Or how could a zero latency setup look like?
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thomasgusenleitner wrote:
is there something like the "Z" button in cubase? Or how could a zero latency setup look like?


I don't know the Yamaha audio interfaces that team up with Cubase, also sold by Steinberg. Maybe they use such a button/function. But it's always depending on the hardware you would use.

You could, as an example, use the Firestudio together with the UniversalControl mixer and activate the output tabs on the right side of the mixer window to get a monitor mix for i.e. a voice channel and leaving the rest of the channels routed through your DAW. But that will also generate heavy latency on the summing mix.
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vaikl wrote:
thomasgusenleitner wrote:
You could, as an example, use the Firestudio together with the UniversalControl mixer and activate the output tabs on the right side of the mixer window to get a monitor mix for i.e. a voice channel and leaving the rest of the channels routed through your DAW. But that will also generate heavy latency on the summing mix.


just for me to understand. the low latency cue mix in Studio artist is the same like using universalControl routing the signal direct to monitor out and send for example a reverb or delay signal from the DAW to the same monitor. the effect signal is just the effect without the source signal. is this correct?

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thomasgusenleitner wrote:
just for me to understand. the low latency cue mix in Studio artist is the same like using universalControl routing the signal direct to monitor out and send for example a reverb or delay signal from the DAW to the same monitor. the effect signal is just the effect without the source signal. is this correct?


You don't get an effect signal back from a DAW without routing an audio/source signal into it before, so it's very problematic to monitor your source with zero latency *directly* on the FSP and get a sync'ed signal with much more latency back from your DAW.
 
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