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without sounding like a h8t0r,
DAMMM. From the previews, that got some pretty amazing features.
Dont get me wrong, i love s1v2.62 but this bitwig thingy seems next level.

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Certainly make S1 look drab colour wise.
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Another Bitwig thread, go figure.

The hype goes on and on and on and on and on. While I'll admit myself from the looks of it it has some potential however as a new platform I'll wait and see how things work with it before any requests here can be taken seriously.

When the dust settles and it's "Really" here we all can see whether it's all that.
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Incidentally, we got a thread already devoted to this subject here:

http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/43801.page

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specialistsound wrote:Dont get me wrong, i love s1v2.62 but this bitwig thingy seems next level.

If you do that kind of non-linear work with beats or loops or whatever, yes, it looks really great. I also like the developers explanation of it, calling it a "music production tool not really designed to compete with PT and all that, the more conventional products".

The key to great(er) success is (imo) doing something well, not trying to do everything, and it seems that's what they're doing, trying to do something really well.

Looks like a really nice product to me... mmv.

P.S. I'm also not sure if S1 has really found it's true identity yet, if it wants to be a conventional studio tool or an EDM tool or both,.

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LMike wrote: "music production tool not really designed to compete with PT and all that, the more conventional products"....


P.S. I'm also not sure if S1 has really found it's true identity yet, if it wants to be a conventional studio tool or an EDM tool or both,.



That is definitely my impression as well, seems like what Project 5.2 would look and act like(if they continued supporting it) with a cross of Ableton Live. The EDM crowd would want something such as this so the hype I was referring to is understandable and as it gets closer to release there will be a lot of anticipation.

Hopefully it fulfills the needs of those who choose to invest in it.


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Yes. Looks kinda like S1 is heading down the Cubase, Logic, Sonar path, trying to be good at a little bit of everything. That will (imo) generally widen the potential user base, being attractive to hard core conventional studio guys and electronic music guys and guys doing live sound.

Bitwig has a much more narrow use case in general and the focus seems to be directed to that... which will probably be a really good thing for those users. The real competition there seems (to me) to be things like Ableton and FLStudio, not S1 so much, except where some S1 users were just trying to make it better fit that particular role currently.

Looks like a great product though. I'll certainly be giving it a spin when the demo drops.

P.S. I hope their copy protection is good. The hackers / crackers will be all over it. People are already complaining about the list price.

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It looks like it has some really innovative features..

The real question is going to be how stable/ rock-solid the program is. That's the single most important thing for a DAW. It's something that Presonus absolutely nailed in Version 1 (I literally could not get the audio to ever stop playing with Version 1. And if it slowed down due to intense CPU workload... it ALWAYS worked through it's issue and came back without crashing... that got me hooked).

So... I can tell you that if Bitwig 1.0 is buggy... that can potentially ruin it's release and reputation. Hopefully, this is what's been taking the developer so long to release it.. making sure it's stable as all hell lol.

Hope it does well (despite how many jokes I had about it never being released). If I were an Ableton guy I'd be looking hard. I'm more of a linear DAW person.. with itches of non-linear production that I'm finally scratching by grabbing Maschine.
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It quite literally "can't miss" in the market imo ... the product. It's a real no brainer for that particular user group. I can't imagine anyone using FLStudio full time not demoing Bitwig.

The only thing that - might - affect initial sales is the pricing, if they don't have any sales early on. Imageline has a big advantage there with the lifetime license. S1 had the benefit of being attached to a hardware company, getting S1 Artist into the hands of many hardware buyers for free, and also getting more exposure with bundled sales (hardware and software) and things... a good way to get people exposed for minimal cost and maybe hooked on the product.

Bitwig won't have any of that so... not sure how or if they'll do any sales early on to get more exposure.

It's pretty clear to me from reading some of the various threads about it that many people who want it can't really afford the $400 ticket so, many will be waiting for sales, or cracks.

But yeah.... anyone who thinks the product will fail in the market is (imo, mmv) delusional.

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LMike wrote:Yes. Looks kinda like S1 is heading down the Cubase, Logic, Sonar path, trying to be good at a little bit of everything. That will (imo) generally widen the potential user base, being attractive to hard core conventional studio guys and electronic music guys and guys doing live sound.

Bitwig has a much more narrow use case in general and the focus seems to be directed to that... which will probably be a really good thing for those users. The real competition there seems (to me) to be things like Ableton and FLStudio, not S1 so much, except where some S1 users were just trying to make it better fit that particular role currently.


I wont link it but there is a poll at Ableton forum titled "The Great Bitwig Migration"" so far only 13% have pledged themselves to leaving so even there the hype hasn't really taken hold. Being as Live has been out there and working its really to soon to tell whether Migration is a correct description in the case of the poll mentioned.

Studio One to me has always seemed to be a recording solution with enhanced capabilities. The MIDI tools and looping are adequate and enhancements would be a plus if implemented properly which I trust they will accomplish in time in a competent manner. In any case you almost need Another program to do it right as you say because some platforms are way better than others for a specific purpose.

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^agreed w/ all the above LMike.

FL, Ableton, and Maschine user groups should be shoe-ins to demo. If I'm a non-FL/Ableton/Maschine guy I'm moreso curious than anything.

Maybe the developer's spent all this time working on the copy protection also to avoid the crack issues? If so... that's a smart way to spend a 1-2 year delay.

And yeah... I agree a $400 intro price tag is steep. Personally... I think this product dits in the "lower the price and triple the sales" category. Could you imagine this being released for $199? If it's stable... it should fly off the shelves. $400 price keeps it in the niche category for people with deeper pockets and willing to try out new technology at a high price (like the guys who wait in line to buy the newest Apple product, etc).

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...so far only 13% have pledged themselves to leaving so even there the hype hasn't really taken hold


That's partly because it costs $400.

Keep in mind that for the most part, most people on the net talking about music software don't get any income from using it so price is a really big deal for many. For example, aside from it just being a really great product that runs really well and has nice features, there's no legitimate argument to be made that Reaper's price doesn't also play a major role in it's popularity.

Price is a big deal, to many.

We'll have to wait and see if BWS can be had in some way on sale for $300 or something. If I were interested I'd be waiting for sales.



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LMike wrote:
...so far only 13% have pledged themselves to leaving so even there the hype hasn't really taken hold


That's partly because it costs $400.

Keep in mind that for the most part, most people on the net talking about music software don't get any income from using it so price is a really big deal for many. For example, aside from it just being a really great product that runs really well and has nice features, there's no legitimate argument to be made that Reaper's price doesn't also play a major role in it's popularity.

Price is a big deal, to many.


While that's true(in most if not all cases), the Live platform is full of the quote "wait in line for the next Apple" crowd with a sprinkle of the usual fanbois. Of all polls( which I abhor in general) it reflects the true Bitwig target market, so it can be taken seriously at least at this point and you know if it works for them they will buy it cause Live aint exactly cheap(unless it's a crack).

Time will tell but only after it's released, any thing now is pure speculation IMHO.
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As a audio guy I am not excited about Bitwig. However I am curious about the Bitwig effect to other DAWs, particularly S1...will it have an impact on S1 development strategy?
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CPhoenix wrote:And yeah... I agree a $400 intro price tag is steep.

In the context of users who maybe just always want the new stuff and aren't making any money using their software, can't make that money back easily, sure, $400 is a good chunk of dough. In the context of the actual current music software market, not so much really, the list price seems just about right to me.

Of course, Logic kinda warped many people's perceptions of all that by dropping to the insane low price of $199 for a relative ton of music production tools ... but that's Apple... a unique case that's subsidized by billions of dollars of hardware sales.

You see the "economy of scale" argument popping up all over re: Bitwig, the idea that if it was $99 it would sell 5 times as many copies as it would at $400 and make even more money. I'm not personally convinced that's true and once you go down that road there's no turning back, you can't later jack it up to $400.

I'm more convinced that people always somehow find a way to afford what they want.



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