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wesley
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I love threads like this! Great comments, guys. I see lots of new/expanded features (awesome ideas), but was just wondering about outputs. Same output structure as the 24? (32 direct out, 4 subs, 10 auxes)? What about Matrix outs, etc? Would you want inserts on all 32 channels? how about inserts on the outputs? Help me load up our feature request database!!

Also, just really wanted to clarify this one point: The preamps on all StudioLive mixers are analog, for really and for true (as my cajun granny-in-law likes to say). The pots are analog pots. If you've got a scratchy one, it needs to be cleaned or replaced.

Now, the rest of the pots on the mixer are digital encoders, that's why they can be recalled with the scene. The exception is the Talkback level on the 16.0.2. That's an analog circuit on that mixer only, the 16.4.2 and 24.4.2 put the talkback level into the DSP (because it's recordable).
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Please put inserts on the subs and the master outputs. And a big yes for 8 subs ! A matrix would be nice but isn't a must for me. Perhaps user define buttons for programming mute groups ect.
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8 subs with pans

A real meter bridge

Real solo function

Assignable mute groups - Select the Mute Group button, Select what you want to mute when you press that button (channels, aux buses, subgroup buses)

Some reasonable number of built-in preamps (16?) with other channel inputs in groups of 8 be line-only standard with a card slot for an 8 mic (or two 4-mic) input module, an ADAT optical input module, maybe even an AES/EBU module. This would provide the flexibility to use outboard preamps or other line level sources without people bitchin' about paying for preamps that the aren't going to use because they have better ones (this is likely to be mostly a studio thing - PreSonus preamps are certainly good enough for anybody's live work).

Some (8 seems to be a good number) floating analog inserts that can be places in a digital return path. This would allow using analog outboard gear when using the console to mix tracks playing back from the computer without stealing auxiliary sends and line inputs. This could be an optional module, too.

Re-think meter calibration so that there's more resolution closer to the top of the scale so you'll know if you're 9 dB below clipping or 1 dB below clipping. The LVL meter is OK but there's only one of those. The multi-purpose meters are somewhat ambiguous. But a real meter bridge could always be meaningful.

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MikeRivers wrote:8 subs with pans

A real meter bridge

Real solo function

Assignable mute groups - Select the Mute Group button, Select what you want to mute when you press that button (channels, aux buses, subgroup buses)

Some reasonable number of built-in preamps (16?) with other channel inputs in groups of 8 be line-only standard with a card slot for an 8 mic (or two 4-mic) input module, an ADAT optical input module, maybe even an AES/EBU module. This would provide the flexibility to use outboard preamps or other line level sources without people bitchin' about paying for preamps that the aren't going to use because they have better ones (this is likely to be mostly a studio thing - PreSonus preamps are certainly good enough for anybody's live work).

Some (8 seems to be a good number) floating analog inserts that can be places in a digital return path. This would allow using analog outboard gear when using the console to mix tracks playing back from the computer without stealing auxiliary sends and line inputs. This could be an optional module, too.

Re-think meter calibration so that there's more resolution closer to the top of the scale so you'll know if you're 9 dB below clipping or 1 dB below clipping. The LVL meter is OK but there's only one of those. The multi-purpose meters are somewhat ambiguous. But a real meter bridge could always be meaningful.



I whole heartedly agree with Mike on all of his recommendations.

I kind of ignored this thread for a while, thinking it was just pipe-dream stuff, but I see Wesley commenting in a way that makes me think maybe there is some possibility of a 32 channel SL in the future?? (I don't want to read too much into your comments, Wesley.)

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I heard somewhere that they want to have it out by January?
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Just a thought, but since this is going to be anything we want. How about transport controls and an interface with Studio One so this can be a control surface as well. Make it a real STUDIOlive. The number one complaint I hear is that the current iterations are more live than Studio.

A faster processor and better flash memory. You'll sell more if they can change scenes without cutting audio.

Matrixes would be nice but aren't a necessity for me either.

Keep the XMAX pres (because they rock) but make them remotely controllable (maybe a pot with a servo-motor).

Make the subs selectable stereo or mono or get rid of them altogether and add the ability to make any fader a groupable fader.

Maybe make this a hybrid setup so that you have ample outputs for a full monitor mixer. (I know I'm dreaming a bit but no one else really has it right in my opinion)

My thoughts here Wesley are that if you build it they will come. Give the other digital mixer builders a real challenge. I used an M7CL over the weekend and I hated it but it met the need (technically two of them met the need). Right now, the big companies aren't taking you as seriously as many of your users do. We know you make a great product...make them take notice by putting out a mixer that kicks their butts up and down the aisles on every front and people will buy them.

Just my two cents. I hope I don't offend.
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Monolithent wrote:Just a thought, but since this is going to be anything we want. How about transport controls and an interface with Studio One so this can be a control surface as well. Make it a real STUDIOlive. The number one complaint I hear is that the current iterations are more live than Studio.


That's for the model I've been calling the StudioStudio. I've given up on ever seeing that. The market for a 24+ input mid priced studio console just isn't big enough for a company like PreSonus, who has to sell tens of thousands of units to make it worth while.


A faster processor and better flash memory. You'll sell more if they can change scenes without cutting audio.


You mean make it work as expected?


My thoughts here Wesley are that if you build it they will come. Right now, the big companies aren't taking you as seriously as many of your users do.


This is a big problem, and I think that PreSonus is approaching it the right way by not shooting for the really big market, but working through the grassroots to sell to independent users and thinkers. I view PreSonus as a company that built their reputation with decent small boxes which would lead me to have faith that they could make a small mixer. But making a large format mixer involves more than just bolting together more parts, as you and I and others have pointed out. You expect additional features, and most important, greater reliability. Mackie, who has been making mixers for 20 years now, hasn't yet successfully broken through that price/features/performance barrier. They had some really great consoles on the drawing board, but they never saw the light of day (or just saw the dawn before fading into the sunset) because nobody really wanted to buy a $25,000 Mackie no matter what it promised.

I understand marketing a little more than some here, but I still don't understand how a company makes the right decisions as to what features to include in a new model. They need to do a lot of crystal ball gazing (because everybody will tell you "Yeah! I want that!") and pretty much predict the whole life cycle before the block diagram is finished. Nobody does it right all the time, and I think PreSonus has come mighty close for their first effort. The first generation is (relatively speaking) flying off the shelves.

We can see PreSonus' potential for expanding in the studio direction (for instance, the Fader Port shows that they have some concept of DAW control) but can they come up with the right combination of features (probably the hardest part), sound quality (probably the easiest part), functionality, and reliability, and at a price that will attract not only those who are looking for "lots of bang for the buck" but also those who have to get work done every time they turn it on and are willing to pay more than rock bottom price for it.

This is as much, if not more, of a marketing-driven problem than an engineering-driven problem. If Marketing decides that they will come, Engineering can build it. But if Marketing decides that they will only come if the price is no more than $X,000, that means that Engineering has to factor "what can we leave out?" into the design, and then the juggling starts again.



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+$1000 flying faders
+$1000 8 more inputs and 8more fat channell parameters
+$1000 expanded master section with 8busses
+$1000 expanded outs with inserts on busses and master

Looks like a $7200 mixer

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You forgot the $1,000 meter bridge.

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FACTORY RESET!!! that doesnt need a computer to be hook up!
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Whitestone wrote:FACTORY RESET!!! that doesnt need a computer to be hook up!


That seems like a great suggestion!
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Fully agree but I don't know that it is feasible with the current setup. I think they would have to change the architecture of the DSP board to make it work. It would have to store it's own backup which it doesn't do now. They would have to expand the onboard non volitile memory to make it happen.

It would be nice...very nice.
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Hey, Buddy!

Sorry I haven't called you back, yet -- I'll try to do so this week.

There you go with all of that annoying pheathabilidee thtuff! Don't you remember? I'm an academic -- we don't actually live in the real world, remember?

Seriously though, I was thinking after I posted that, like the above discussion pointed out -- everything has a cost, and it could well be that it wouldn't be practical, but I'm no designer/programmer guru, so I have no idea of the complexity or cost of such a thing.

Nice to bump into you in real time, old chap!
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Good to hear from you as well good sir.

My thoughts on a 32 channel version of the StudioLive are that it would have to be a back to the drawing board operation. From what I've inferred and know for fact about the current models tells me that it can't support what we're talking about.

I feel a full revamp of the system might be the best way to start this off. Once the core is established then Presonus can make it what we want it to be and what will help them sell more of them in the next iteration.

HOLY CRAP...I'm starting to sound like Mike!!!
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MikeRivers wrote:You forgot the $1,000 meter bridge.



Oops, forgot the meter bridge.
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