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Not at my daw at the mo but whilst browsing the m audio forum u found that all setup files for their keyboards for cubase were in xml format
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Fruityloops also uses xml format for control surface support
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Yeah, I did a whole search of my C drive for all .xml files and came up dry looking for specific names of controllers. Studio one's are .surface files (a squirly extension on an XML file...lol). I'll keep looking. Maybe Steinberg has different names for the files themselves but the controller name is embedded in the XML?

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You would think so but I need to make a proper thorough search
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bigcohoona wrote:
I have to be honest. Although I see your point, I'd hate for themuzic to let up on this particular topic. I like his "harping" on it.
~C


I fully support Muzic's regular calls for better support of existing control surfaces. Always have. Not sure where I may have implied otherwise or how any of my comments here may have been taken that way.

I think I'll stay out of the control surface discussions going forward with it being such a touchy subject. Thank C.

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dogcatstudios wrote:For example, I love the search button in the browser but to access this function I have to click a tiny icon in the corner (no keyboard shortcut)

Ctrl+F opens the search field when the browser is open and has the keyboard focus. It can be assigned to another key ("Edit - Search").
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i love S1. however i come from cubase/logic and PT. for those i have purchased and learned, and love, my Euphonix artist controllers with Eucon

anyone who has tried that protocol will understand how much more in depth it is than Mackie or HUI. i also came from a mixed logic M24 and an MCU and 2 xt's so i have alot of experience with the home brew setups with Mackie and HUI

Eucon is by far the best protocol for integrated control. not even close.


i have 1 MC control V2, 2 MC Mixes, and 1 MC transport. not only does S1 not support Eucon but its implementation of the other protocols is lacking. well i should say i cannot get my controllers working with either HUI or Mackie very far. its really frustrating

i have 2 home setups. one small laptop macbook pro with a roland VS100 and S1, and it works insanely well. OSX lion, 2.3 quad core, 8 gigs ram, S1 and everything on it 64 bit !!! so nice

but i want so much to move S1 to my main setup and call it a day. my main setup has all my gear. my channel strips (pendulum audio quartet, LA 610, sebatron thorax), fractal, Triton, eleven rack, i mean all the stuff i use for the real recordings. which includes the artist series

and for now i just can't use S1 there. i will not ditch the 4500 investment, and mroe importantly the incredible control eucon brings you over your sessions.

i have met the presonus guys at gearfest and they are great guys, but no one ever seems to think eucon is even on the radar. i wish it were

for now S1 is my songwriting tool. this i s just me, and how i like to work, but its agonizing when you find a DAW like S1 and its just so close.....this is JUST MY opinion and how I LIKE to work



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trock wrote:i love S1. however i come from cubase/logic and PT. for those i have purchased and learned, and love, my Euphonix artist controllers with Eucon

anyone who has tried that protocol will understand how much more in depth it is than Mackie or HUI. i also came from a mixed logic M24 and an MCU and 2 xt's so i have alot of experience with the home brew setups with Mackie and HUI

Eucon is by far the best protocol for integrated control. not even close.


i have 1 MC control V2, 2 MC Mixes, and 1 MC transport. not only does S1 not support Eucon but its implementation of the other protocols is lacking. well i should say i cannot get my controllers working with either HUI or Mackie very far. its really frustrating

i have 2 home setups. one small laptop macbook pro with a roland VS100 and S1, and it works insanely well. OSX lion, 2.3 quad core, 8 gigs ram, S1 and everything on it 64 bit !!! so nice

but i want so much to move S1 to my main setup and call it a day. my main setup has all my gear. my channel strips (pendulum audio quartet, LA 610, sebatron thorax), fractal, Triton, eleven rack, i mean all the stuff i use for the real recordings. which includes the artist series

and for now i just can't use S1 there. i will not ditch the 4500 investment, and mroe importantly the incredible control eucon brings you over your sessions.

i have met the presonus guys at gearfest and they are great guys, but no one ever seems to think eucon is even on the radar. i wish it were

for now S1 is my songwriting tool. this i s just me, and how i like to work, but its agonizing when you find a DAW like S1 and its just so close.....this is JUST MY opinion and how I LIKE to work



I think maybe your problem is that you hate putting your expensive piece of hardware in a drawer. I went through the same ordeal when using Cubase and Mackie Control Universal. It just never worked properly (jittery faders, feedback problems, faders jumping back to previous position after released, pots not centering correctly, and in general a terrible implementation on Steinberg's side). Finally and very reluctantly I sold the MCU on eBay and suddenly all my problems vanished. Mind you, I ditched Cubase over two years ago for Reaper and now I am loving S1.

I spend more time arranging and designing sounds than mixing, so I am OK with the humble mouse, although I do miss the workflow of physical faders, but it just was not worth the hassle.

I suspect Presonus will add Eucon support at some point, but I don't think it's top priority. And I think they are doing extremely well for a DAW that's barely 2 years old!

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My feature wish list:
1. Automation clips
2. Ability to (optionally) undo everything, inc. plugin and mixer knob/fader/buttons, add/remove insert, add/remove plugin, etc...
3. Mixer snapshots
4. Wraparound slide audio items like in Reaper
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The problem is that Eucon really works in my setup and I haven't got any problems with the control surface - everything works as expected, which is really unique in digital audio industry. Everyone who worked with Eucon-enabled surfaces is spoiled by the resolution of the faders and knobs, customization, depth of integration, feedback etc. Compared to former Euphonix products (Artist and Pro series) all other control surfaces (apart from WK Audio and Icon) are severely crippled in terms of functionality. You can't compare working with Mackie and Artist series (although the quality of MC Mix and Control is not very good) - totally different levels.

I don't want to Eucon-centric. I use also iPads (MIDITouch) as MIDI controllers. The Generic Remote in Cubendo is fantastic - you can assign most of SW parameters to MIDI messages and create and save your custom controllers. At some level you realize that starting a project from the scratch is not the right solution - let's say you are working on an orchestral score for picture. Can you imagine adding every instrument you need every time you start a new score - with groupings, fx, routing etc.? Imagine naming 100 track score in Studio One - in the arrange track, in console and then changing the names of the instruments say from Kontakt 5 73 to vln I fc (I don't like this in S1 - one of the most user-unfriendly aspect of this software). That would take ages. Instead we work with templates with predefined instrument sets, groupings, fx etc. For example my uber master template in Nuendo contains over 250 instruments (both symphobias, lass, lots of tonehammer stuff, lots of play instruments, evolve, sample logic etc etc) all ready to use - I have also got some subsets for electronic, ethnic, rock-oriented music. At this point actions like adding tracks, creating groups, routings etc. are less important. On the other hand navigation gets more and more important - how to get to a given track as fast as possible, how to add a insert, increase FX levels - and naturally all editing functions. I created a template for MIDItouch that allows me to access any of my over 250 tracks - I just need to touch twice to access the track I want with all articulation parameters. It is really fast - I put the iPad on my keyboard and suddenly my DAW changes into a classic synth workstation experience for composing. But still there is a lot of room for variability and new sounds - there are about 20 tracks empty and ready for sound experiments. I can't do this in S1 because the controller implementation is weak. But on the other hand I love the track list and scenes (but again there are some major drawbacks like editing scenes, shortcuts only for 5 scenes etc). But it is the best track management system I have seen in DAWs so far.

S1 has become a serious tool for composing and mixing - no doubt. Presonus aims at enlarging its user base but they should focus on marketing S1 as a full blown, innovative product NOT connected with Presonus hardware target group. I don't want to bash Presonus hardware - I have never used it (on Monday I will get my Faderport though). But the brand is not associated with pro market I guess. I don't want to sound snobbish - it is the magician and not the wand. But the best magicians seem to work with high end wands. And one way for Presonus to reach pro market is to provide the support for the wands used by pros: look, you can use the gear you already use and know - you can leverage your workflow but at the same time improve it. You don't have to buy anything with Presonus on it to use S1 to full extent.

You may ask me to shut up and stick to Nuendo and everything it offers. But S1 is unique - mainly soundwise. The VI instruments I use never sounded so good probably due to proper latency handling by S1. I want to use it in my main rig.

I went for a weekend to my parent-in-law's place - I took Virus TI2, Macbook Air loaded with both Symphobias and some percussive instruments. I am sitting in front of a small orchestral template (50 tracks loaded in 4 GB memory) and I am enjoying the whole experience a lot. I have assigned key commands to most functions I use and configured lots of gestures on trackpad (using BetterTouch Tool). S1 rocks - visually, sonically and functionally. Period. I want it badly on my main rig.

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actually that's not it at all. i have sold expensive equipment quickly that did not work for me. the issue is workflow, its how i like to work and how i work the fastest and best.

i have mixed many times with a mouse and keyboard. i have had a faderport, i have a vs100 right now with S1 with one fader.

nothing at all to do with putting away an expensive piece of gear. its "why should i" when we are talking about an industry protocol accepted and used by many of the top DAW's out there. if this was some random, strange, 4 person protocol i could understand the reluctance.

logic, PT, Cubase, now Sampltude, etc all fully support these devices and eucon. why? because its actually a great and incredibly in depth way to work with hardware and software, and alot of people like the hands on experience more than the mouse and keyboard. i have no problem with anyone using just a mouse and keyboard. i have friends who work that way and get great results.

also, i had the MCU and 2 xt's with cubase and other DAW's, there is no comparison to the Mackie or HUI protocol and Eucon. i have a good friend with this exact setup and it works fantasticly so not sure why you had so many issues with it

anyway, i hope they support it someday, it will be a feather in their cap and it will attract more customers.
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I discovered that at least one of my controllers has even official template and stuff - Edirol PCR-500. I almost like the way S1 handles controllers (linking parameters with controls etc) and it works nice with Presonus plugins, but with third party plugins it seems to break more than it fixes.

I have two instruments I use in every single project - Kontakt4 and Trilian. Both of them have MIDI CC learning feature and both are broken in S1 while working fine in Logic. I can't use the linking feature in S1 because S1 just doesn't see the events in these plugins. But I can't use the learning feature in instruments either because the plugins don't see any controller events. Any ideas? Something worth to report?

PS. BTW, what's the correct procedure of reporting problems for users not owning product yet?
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@TheMuzic, I sat down and scanned my hard drive for Cubase xml files and couldn't find any, damn i thought they used that format for control surface support
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For sure they do. At least user created control surface files (Generic Remote) are xlms. But you are right - you can't find other xmls anywhere.
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dogcatstudios wrote:For sure they do. At least user created control surface files (Generic Remote) are xlms. But you are right - you can't find other xmls anywhere.


Cubase doesn't use the kind of XML files Presonus does apparently. I can't find any controller files at all in Cubase but S1s are easy to find.

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I have not gone through the whole thread but I want to give one tip for mouse users:

Use FAST tracking/motion speed. I'm an ex -gamer so I'm used to having a really fast mouse, and I've noticed when I use other people's computers they use really slow tracking speeds so you sometimes even have to move the mouse from one side of the mousepad to the other to get from far left to far right and then maybe even lift it up off the pad for an extra inch.

It might take a few minutes to get used to faster motion speeds but when you've adjusted, you're going to be moving your wrist/hand a lot less!

Ps. Maybe it's not possible for those of you who use a Mac, I noticed on my wife's Macbook, the fastest tracking speed is still SLOW! It's a few years old though so that might have something to do with it. Plus I recommend getting a Logitech mx518 or similar even if you're using a Mac since Apple's mouses are..frankly..not that good!
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