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So I've an acoustic guitar.
Two mics + a DI.
I would like to detect the transient from the DI ONLY and to edit the 3 tracks at the time.
What's the best way to edit this 3 tracks at the same time conserving the phase correlation of the tracks?
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Just follow the steps in the 3rd video on multi-track quantization at 6:15 into the video.

Group the three guitars and then select the DI track as the guide track for quantization.

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I already tried that but it wasn't working.
It detected different transients into the 3 different tracks :/.
I'm actually watching the video so I'll see.

+ what are the differences between standard and sensitive ?
and the differences between the algorythmes, drum, solo, poly, audiobend?
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scorpix74 wrote:I .
It detected different transients into the 3 different tracks :/.
I

+ what are the differences between standard and sensitive ?
and the differences between the algorythmes, drum, solo, poly, audiobend?


It will detect the real transients on each track but use the guide as the target timing and move all other grouped tracks the same amount to keeping the phasing.

what are the differences between standard and sensitive ?

How small of a peak to call a transient ( more will show up)

differences between the algorithm, drum, solo, poly, audiobend?

Should be in the the manual. page 81 ( quick answer the stretch algorithm, how it detects and does the stretch )
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I've watched vid tutorials & r4ead the manual on this, but can't seem to get it.

I have 16 trks of audio from old ADAT machines, lined up. Want to redo some midi trks & improve sonically.
It seems that the ADAT tapes STRETCH so that even though they were cut at 144bpm, the audio slowly pulls away from the midi click, as the songs proceeds. The original sync was SMPTE.

Can anyone help w/ a solution that works?
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Rick Bell wrote:I've watched vid tutorials & r4ead the manual on this, but can't seem to get it.

I have 16 trks of audio from old ADAT machines, lined up. Want to redo some midi trks & improve sonically.
It seems that the ADAT tapes STRETCH so that even though they were cut at 144bpm, the audio slowly pulls away from the midi click, as the songs proceeds. The original sync was SMPTE.

Can anyone help w/ a solution that works?

Let's start with more information.

Assuming the ADAT tracks have no tempo data in them.
When you import them and look at the inspector data do you see the file tempo not set?

When you say they were cut at 144 BPM does that mean the performance was done to a tick track?
( if so this means there will be slight timing variations with a live performance. )

Are you marking/setting the initial file tempo as 144 via the inspector?

After the initial 144 setting are you going through the beat mapping procedure to align the down beats throughout the song?
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jpettit wrote:
Rick Bell wrote:I've watched vid tutorials & r4ead the manual on this, but can't seem to get it.

I have 16 trks of audio from old ADAT machines, lined up. Want to redo some midi trks & improve sonically.
It seems that the ADAT tapes STRETCH so that even though they were cut at 144bpm, the audio slowly pulls away from the midi click, as the songs proceeds. The original sync was SMPTE.

Can anyone help w/ a solution that works?

Let's start with more information.

Assuming the ADAT tracks have no tempo data in them.
When you import them and look at the inspector data do you see the file tempo not set?

When you say they were cut at 144 BPM does that mean the performance was done to a tick track?
( if so this means there will be slight timing variations with a live performance. )

Are you marking/setting the initial file tempo as 144 via the inspector?

After the initial 144 setting are you going through the beat mapping procedure to align the down beats throughout the song?



It might be a sample rate issue. ADATs are 48kHz. If you digital imported them and your project is not set to 48k, it will be off both in tempo and pitch.
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It's great this thread (and access to the videos) has bumped back up near the top -- the videos are a great resource and a number of new S1 users have probably come on board since the original post. This should be pinned at the top!

Anyway, I have two quick comments/questions:

1. It likely would help a few (maybe large ) number of people to give a brief explanation about why Audio Bend (video 1) is different than "Q" (video 3) in an overall sense? In other words, why use one over the other and when?

2. I notice in video 3 after typing "Q" to create all the bars in the track that you click on the Q button at the top and a panel of menus appears right underneath. In the first video (see at 3:48 approx.) we start with Q button at the top highlighted blue but no menus, and then you click on the Audio Bend a few seconds later the panel of buttons appears below -- why didn't the Q panel of menus already exist? And does this have something to do with video 3's typing "Q" first?

Perhaps this is just me being dense but I appreciate the guidance.

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Thanks for responding to all!

First, sample rate is seet at 48KHZ, so good there.

Second, The inspector tempo is set at 144 bpm, I did that.

yes, it was cut to midi drums (MPC60), etc., so to a 144 BPM.

I did try to 'beat map'. It is a very gradual, every 4 to 8 bars the audio starts to slip out of time w/ the tempo. It seems that it would be easier to make the audio compress or expand to the midi. Right?

I now have drums, bass, keys midi. I was able to snap the live hand claps in, & that worked fine. But, the gtrs are harder to work with. I'm not interested in making everything perfect, just follow as a live performer would. r. gtr. lead gtr., some vocals.

So there it is as it stands now.
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Remember when you beat map the guiding track ( say the drums ) is set to not follow in the inspector so that it become your measuring guideline for setting the tempo changes. The other tracks are set to stretch so they follow the tempo changes

Are you also mapping to a down beat ( beat one of the measure) ?
My experience is if you get a measure wrong you will hears things shifting out of time.
That is when I go back and take it 2- 4 bars at a time to find the true downbeats.

You can also use Melodyne to try to detect a more accurate beat for a section of the song..
Look on my YouTube page to see the video on finding an unknown beat.



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SMcNamara wrote:1. It likely would help a few (maybe large ) number of people to give a brief explanation about why Audio Bend (video 1) is different than "Q" (video 3) in an overall sense? In other words, why use one over the other and when?

2. I notice in video 3 after typing "Q" to create all the bars in the track that you click on the Q button at the top and a panel of menus appears right underneath. In the first video (see at 3:48 approx.) we start with Q button at the top highlighted blue but no menus, and then you click on the Audio Bend a few seconds later the panel of buttons appears below -- why didn't the Q panel of menus already exist? And does this have something to do with video 3's typing "Q" first?

Audio bend is the stretching aspect of the timing tools.
"Q" is a built in macro if you will that:
1) identifies the transients ( based off of current settings)
2) Quantizes the transients ( based off the current settings)

So it is a quick way to do audio timing adjustments. However I recommend you learn to do it step by step. This way you 1) know what it is doing and 2) have all the controls/settings to make it work better.
For example adjusting threshold just right to pick up the resolution of the feel, or trying what a 1/8 triplet will do to the quantizing vs a 16th etc.

"Control Q" will be you go to key stroke to try out different setting and undo the quantization quickly.


2) I little confused as I do not have time to go through the videos tonight.( they where done three years ago)
The Button "Q" is to open the Quantize toolbar.
It appears in the arranger tools bar as well as the editor toolbar.
They are a little sporadic in terms of where the Q toolbar will appear.
Try them both and you will see a few toggles on and off will change the position of the Q toolbar back and forth between the arranger and the editor view.
The toolbar can also be floated.


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Ah, my problem may be as you say, the drum trk is 'Don't Follow', & the other trks should be 'Stretch'!!! I will try that!
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