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Pro Tools is an outright money pit!
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Clip gain...hmm...didn't we get that quite a while ago for a lot less from a company in Batan Rouge, Louisiana?
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They are calling this one a "game changer" on the Avid website. lol
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Kahlbert wrote:
Toth wrote:Wow! Other DAWs have had floating point for nearly a decade. Once again, how is PT industry standard?

Well, Pro Tools is the living proof that it's the engineer, not the tool.

Still, I was sort of watching the last few upgrades - and every time on half the new features I went "are they serious? every half-decent semi-pro tool has had this for years and years!".

What's totally fascinating about the comments from the pros is they really must have seen no other DAW for a decade, given their excitement for some of the new features ...


Well, how about you've invested tens of thousands of dollars in your HD setup. Getting endorsement from the developing company and getting some little benefits on the side. But let's let them have their little moment... I've had someone post an announcement on Facebook about the PT update and mentioning 50+ features etc. I replied with a little overview of what v2 had to offer... Now I'm giving a couple of demos in the next few weeks in a couple of studios in the Netherlands for v2...
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Pro tools by itself isn't a very impressive DAW to a home user/small studio. Its major benefit is in the huge multi-system hardware-based setups, where the system guarantees stability and real-time performance for x number of tracks, y number of plugins, etc. No other system does this that I know of, which is why the pro world is "stuck" with pro tools, and gets excited when features like clip gain or floating-point show up (which have existed in other DAWs for years, but those other DAWs literally could not be used in their environments even if they wanted to).

Then the fact that the "pros" use it, and it's ubiquitous, is what makes everyone else want to use it -- not whether or not it's the best system for their particular use. (Of course there are benefits such as session compatibility, having a familiar environment across different studios, etc. But on the other hand, how did people live so long without clip gain!? )
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PenguiN42 wrote:Pro tools by itself isn't a very impressive DAW to a home user/small studio. Its major benefit is in the huge multi-system hardware-based setups, where the system guarantees stability and real-time performance for x number of tracks, y number of plugins, etc. No other system does this that I know of, which is why the pro world is "stuck" with pro tools, and gets excited when features like clip gain or floating-point show up (which have existed in other DAWs for years, but those other DAWs literally could not be used in their environments even if they wanted to).

Then the fact that the "pros" use it, and it's ubiquitous, is what makes everyone else want to use it -- not whether or not it's the best system for their particular use. (Of course there are benefits such as session compatibility, having a familiar environment across different studios, etc. But on the other hand, how did people live so long without clip gain!? )


Well, I can seriously attest to the fact that until 9.0.5 PT has been very unstable on PC. Seriously having all sort of random and unknown crashes. If you want real stability and high track count I would suggest SSL MX4, AlphaLink and SoundScape. Now I know it's not the most well known system and PC only (because of SS) but I've worked with the SSL bundle, PT and S1. PT is the least stable, least workable. The workflow of SS is awkward and take some serious getting used to, but it never, ever fails. Even with 60 track feeding in at the same time.

I know PT is big and industry standard, but I seriously think that PT have held on to a over aged business model and got the movements in the industry a little too late and are now making not enough miles to keep up. It will take time, but I feel that PT is seriously going to loose ground.

But that's just my view (from very few years of experience).
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I was considering starting a thread in here after reviewing the PT 10 announcement with my breakfast this morning. A few hours later, BOOM, 4 pages .

I have little experience with PT but am very aware of it's presence across the audio industry. I know I'm being redundant but I almost spit out my orange juice when the "clip gain" feature was presented in the video. I'm serious here - was it REALLY not possible to modify the gain to events/clips in PT until version 10?? My DAW journey was Adobe Audition-->Cubase-->S1 which all have this feature.

It's also sad about how expensive those upgrades are. Presonus is seriously in an excellent position with S1 right now. Not only for the success of their business but they are also SO aware and embedded into their user-base. This is what I love about them. So excited for the future.
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I personally feel PT has placed themselves in a class that is not ment for others (In Avids mind that is). Unless you are a major lable or a studio that brings in big names to recoup your cost for PT.. then it is not ment for you. I cannot see a home studio or beginner investing in PT unless they have tons of clients or financial backers to support the cost. PT tries to be the Apple Inc of DAW's without the quality, features and ease of use to support the price.... some may say that's debatable too.

It's the power of "word of mouth".

We need people like Teddy Riley speaking about Presonus Studio One like they do about PT.

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Well put. I have a friend who bought a Pro Tools LE system about 4 years ago (before I even got into audio really). She wanted a system to record her piano and vocal students, basic stuff. She completely abandoned it over a year ago because it was SO hard and overwhelming for her. She even bought some dvd training videos and still found it too tedious. She really wanted to write some new music and record her kids again so I recommended S1. Can't wait to set it up for her and show her how to drag n drop everything . No more deep complicated menus and icons for her!
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I'm currently talking with some of the bigger names in the dance music industry (house, techno, trance) to see if they would switch to S1
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Motoko wrote:I'm currently talking with some of the bigger names in the dance music industry (house, techno, trance) to see if they would switch to S1


What are they currently using? I'd be surprised to hear if it was PT for electronic/MIDI stuff?
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jordansvoice wrote:
Motoko wrote:I'm currently talking with some of the bigger names in the dance music industry (house, techno, trance) to see if they would switch to S1


What are they currently using? I'd be surprised to hear if it was PT for electronic/MIDI stuff?


So do, some use Logic or Cubase. But some already switched to S1.
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Like I mentioned earlier here, my one friend uses Pro Tools exclusively in his studio. I've been touting the virtues of Studio One and now Studio One 2 Pro to him ,but it's falling on deaf ears. He says his customers want to see Pro Tools when they walk into his studio and it's as simple as that. Although he's really pissed at the amount of money he just had to fork over for version 10 HD upgrade. He gave his local Avid rep an ear full last night, and they cut him a break on the price., but he's still pissed!

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Another thing to consider is their new plugin format: AAX. This will take the place of RTAS & TDM.

Some developers will offer a free update to their products(Fabfilter), while other companies are going to charge for it (like BIAS).

So it will be another added cost. It is 2002/2003 all over again for Pro Tools users. I remember when NI were charging for RTAS versions of their plugins.

While it is true that no one is "forcing you to upgrade", but it is equally true that software companies should not be raping their customer's wallets when they (the customer) finally choose to upgrade.
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themuzic wrote:
Everyone knows how big a Presonus fanboy I am, but look at the controllers FULLY supported by Protools.

Just saying.


Awesome post! ...just saying:b

I'm actually liking Cubase' concept more than Eucon, thought I still think Euphonix has the best controllers possible for smaller studios (and most of the producers I'e learned from and use as professional counselors keep recommending them).

The module approach that Steiny honed in on is fantastic. Pick and choose what you need or can afford and grow later. I have to agree with some of your other posts that a beefed up Faderport would be just fine... I personally would like something else, but it's not much of a design difference to add 8 more faders to the Faderport.. or 16 more... or 24 more....

Oh yeah this is the PT 10 thread.... way too little too late imho, but I will say this. At least Avid is finally trying to have the appearance of attempting to truly cater to what their users want (maybe they have been watching and using Presonus as an example, though we know Presonus really DOES care about our thoughts).

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