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Presonus 24.4.2 Arriving Today: Question about Mavericks, Studio One and Thunderbolt 1 and 2
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joycesampson
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Hi Board,

My Presonus 24.4.2 (non AI version) is supposed to arrive today. I've posted some questions before about Macs, Mavericks, and Thunderbolt II and today, I did some searching on all those topics, and there are 23 pages of lists of posts regarding Maverick OS, so if you don't mind the following questions, I will greatly appreciate it. I intend to buy a new laptop to dedicate to this board and will use it mainly to quick capture recordings to help expedite the writing process in my band. I've had some suggestions for good PC choices to buy, as well as the warnings about Thunderbolt II. My preference is for Macbook Pro, and the lowest model with 13" screen still has Thunderbolt I. Another option would be to buy a refurbished Mac with Thunderbolt I. So my questions are this:

1. Has anyone experienced problems with the newest Maverick OS in Macbook PRO and either Studio One or Capture?

2. My DAW is Logic Pro, and I will probably use that if I intend to achieve a more finished product, but would there be some good reasons not to do that, and/or more convincing reasons to use Studio One?

3. Probably a longshot, but has anyone been successful with getting Thunderbolt II to play well?

4. Are 13" screens really too small and annoying for this use?

5. Finally, do you have any other advice/warnings for getting a computer and getting it to play well with the Presonus 24.4.2



Thank you in advance

In case it's needed, here's one of my previous threads: http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/43971.page
wally
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My SL24 is still going strong, congrats on the new purchase
I am using a late 2011 MacBook Pro with the latest version of Mavericks without any issues.
I also use Logic X, Capture, VSL and Studio One Pro without any issues. Studio One is a great DAW, but Logic X still has a few features I use.
I am old so I opted for the 17" MacBook Pro and an external Monitor. It's good to have lots of Screen real-estate when editing/mixing.
Can't comment on the TB2 interface other than what I read here, so far I have not seen a compatible interface for TB2, but that does not mean it does not exist.

Good luck with your new board.
Wally
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talmen
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I have a pro with tb1. Works very, very well. Mine is an i5.

Anecdotally, I have seen 2-3 reports of tb2 not working. I've read speculation that a new tb2 to fw dongle may be what is needed. Not a lot of definitive information yet, as far as I can see. So, for now, at least, I think a leap to tb2 is done at your own risk. Thank goodness we still have working fw systems at our disposal!

My i5 pro is unbelievably stable running capture or s1 with the SL -- best computer I've used with it. The 13" screen is small, but doable in the when just tracking (you'd likely want more real estate for editing, mixing). Capture is pretty brilliant in its simplicity and stability, and I'm able to use it without serious concern over screen size in a field recording setup.

I'm an S1 convert from pt (for audio) and dp (for midi). Like all modern daws, it has its strengths and weaknesses. For my tastes and workstyle, I prefer to spend all of my time in S1, these days. It is stable, sounds great, is easy on the eyes, has incredible ease of use and enhanced workflow features that other daws now copy, and it has all the tools I need for at least 95% of my work. If you've every thought about trying another daw, I think S1 is one of the few worth consideration as an alternative to something like Logic, which is certainly a very solid and powerful program.

Haven't updated to Mavericks on my MacBook pro, yet, so cannot speak from any experience on that, but I'm sure that if you dig around here you'll probably find some pertinent discussions.

(Edited to flesh out initial response.)

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Field Kit:
MacBook Pro 9.2 i5 2.5 GHz, 8GB RAM,
OS 10.8.5;
A & H Qu-16, AB1818VSL, Alesis IO14 / IO26,
PreSonus S1 v2.6.2.25990, Boom Recorder 8.3.2

Studio Kit:
iMac 11.3, i7 (Quad) 2.93GHz, 8 GB RAM,
OS 10.9.3,
M-Audio FW1814, PreSonus Faderport,
PreSonus S1 Pro 2.6.2.25590
joycesampson
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Wally and Talman,

Thank you for your replies, but they also generated a couple more questions if you all don't mind. Wally, I see your point about screen real estate - I've been going round in circles over what to buy; the only Macbook Pro that still has TB 1 is a 13", so I've been looking at refurbed MBpros and Imacs and pondering whether to just buy a 27" Imac with TB1, but then, that loses the flexibility of having a laptop to take with if I use the board in a live sound setting. What type and size of external screen do you have?

Talman, thanks for your input about SL1. Theoretically, the board should work better, or at least more seamlessly, with it than with other DAWs, but I suppose I could just export wav files from Capture or SL1 if I wanted to work with it in Logic Pro, correct?

Also, the Computer Systems requirements list for the board says it recommends an internet connection. Of course I have one, but I'm curious as to why -once you have the software loaded, you can just use it correct?

Finally, can the SL or Capture software be loaded onto more than one computer?

Regards
Joyce
talmen
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I wouldn't travel with an iMac, myself, unless it were the smallest one. I'd sooner get a Mini or a MacBook Pro. With a MacBook you can always use an external screen, too. If you still have FW800 on your new machine, use that for the SL, and use the TB port (or HDMI port) for video and get something like a 22" screen to carry around with you. They are really light and easy to travel with, these days. I move mine in the sleek cardboard carton it came in. I'm fine with the 13" for field work. Editing and mixing are a different thing, though, and for that 13" is definitely not enough to satisfy most, these days.

Yes, you can easily use the files you generate in something like Capture or S1 in any other program like Logic. Everyone uses standard WAV format these days, so they're easy to move about.

The nice thing about tracking in Capture is the ease of use and stability in the field. Then you have the added benefit of being able to open the Capture session within S1 and have the track setup/names already filled from Capture, any markers placed in Capture will show up, etc., so it is just really quick and easy to get going -- workflow is king.

The main reason for the internet connection is just so that you can stay up to date with software/firmare releases. Also, you may at some point want to use the SoundCloud or Nimbit integration that exists in S1, download additional resources, etc. -- and for that stuff, you'd need a connection.

You can have the Capture software on as many machines as you need it on. It is proprietary use with SL/FS series hardware -- since it is of no use to anyone that doesn't own their gear, they don't really need to protect it too closely. With S1 you're allowed to have it on a laptop and a desktop, and you get a total of 5 registrations with your license.
Field Kit:
MacBook Pro 9.2 i5 2.5 GHz, 8GB RAM,
OS 10.8.5;
A & H Qu-16, AB1818VSL, Alesis IO14 / IO26,
PreSonus S1 v2.6.2.25990, Boom Recorder 8.3.2

Studio Kit:
iMac 11.3, i7 (Quad) 2.93GHz, 8 GB RAM,
OS 10.9.3,
M-Audio FW1814, PreSonus Faderport,
PreSonus S1 Pro 2.6.2.25590
 
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