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kenmetcalf
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I have a SL 24.4.2 firewire to Imac and two powered studio monitors plugged into the 1/4 inch main outputs.
Only mono signal on playback of recorded material in speakers and headphones.
What am I doing wrong?
tia
Ken
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Hi Ken,
A little more detail may be helpful.

Are you new to this?
How was the session recorded (Mono/Stereo) and on what software.
Also how is your routing set up.

A few things to check....
Did you record in stereo? (not trying to be an @ss, but have to start somewhere).
Are you bringing each track back to a channel via the individual firewire returns, or just the mix to the 2 track in?
If its the individual tracks, are the Pans set for the stereo tracks?

I have the SL24 as well. Normally I connect to the Control Room outs for monitoring, but that will not affect the Mono/Stereo issue.

Keep in touch we should be able to get you sorted
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Thanks Wally
I recorded with Capture on the Imac fire wired to the SL 24. It was a 3 piece band live in a bar and I am not that new to recording but pretty new to SL and S1.
The pans were set center in Universal control and it would seem I may have recorded them wrong but not sure how I got mono.
Even if I create 2 tracks say for a Vocal and pan L-R it still is Mono.
I guess I have stereo tracks just can't hear them in my editing process.
I have the tracks in DropBox and could send you a link if that would help.
Any help would be great.. If I save to a mixdown wav. or mp3. I can get stereo out of my Imac monitor built in speakers.
New to Mac, New to Presonus and read the book watch the vids ...
I am thinking it is an elementary thing I am missing but like Chinese arithmetic it's confusing if you don't know it.
I need to do some panning in the mix and it is hard flying blind.
Thanks a bunch
Ken Metcalf

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well all the inputs on a 24.4.2 are mono and tracks in capture are mono... you have to "link" two adjacent mono inputs for them to "act" like a stereo pair (2 monos makes a stereo pair)... only "stereo" inputs on your board are the tape return RCA inputs.
you have the ability to link tracks in capture just like you do on the console. there is a little icon that looks like a chain link below the tracks and clicking this will link that pair in stereo and should also do a hard L/R panning... same on your console but you can adjust the panning on the 2442.

so if you have two mono tracks in capture and want to play them back thru the console as a stereo pair simply select the first or left channel and press the STEREO link button located above channel fader 9... then you have the option to set your pan width with the pan knob

if you link a pair of inputs on the 2442 look at the pan dial and led status... you can mono or center a stereo pair or set the pan where you like... if it is a stereo recording you are playing back I would do a full L/R pan... keys or SFX you might want to narrow it to taste and function.

for monitors you need a stereo set up two aux sends to two speakers or IEM and again link those aux sends as a stereo pair then feed the channels to the L/R channels to the Aux 1/2 L/R There is no "Pan function on the Aux sends so say you have AUX 1/2 set up for stereo send the left to aux 1 the right to Aux 2

you can also use a pair of sub groups linked in stereo... say for side fills... they would follow the main channel fader panning

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Okay Lets say I have channel one a mono channel. I should be able to pan that mono channel back and forth in a stereo field coming out of the two main outputs. Perhaps I don't have the output channels set up but I just have mains I/O R-L
I am just trying to edit material previously recorded.




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Ken, as long as you have an input selected on your 24.4.2 console weather it be a mic/line input or firewire return from capture or studio one, either a single mono channel or stereo linked channels, all you have to do is select that channel(s) and then your pan knob will allow panning if you are also assigned to the main mix. if you have it sub grouped to only one sub group then you would do the panning at the sub group fader by selecting the sub and then turning the pan knob. if it is a stereo linked sub group you use, then you need to have the linked subgroups panned hard L/R first then go to your input channel to pan within the stereo linked sub groups. I believe default setting when you stereo link channels or subgroups is a hard L/R panning. you can narrow the stereo panning till it monos at center and beyond that it swaps L/R to R/L...

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Note: if you are using Capture and just playing all recorded tracks back on a stereo return, there is no panning feature within Capture, you should open you capture session in Studio One. Capture is great for quick recording on the fly but you can and should set up a template in Studio One for live recording and playback as it gives you a lot more function and features...
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kenmetcalf wrote:I have a SL 24.4.2 firewire to Imac and two powered studio monitors plugged into the 1/4 inch main outputs.
Only mono signal on playback of recorded material in speakers and headphones.
What am I doing wrong?
tia
Ken

Note: you mentioned you use the 1/4" "main" outputs to a set of powered studio monitors... I would suggest using the Control Room monitor outputs instead so you have more of a studio like control... the Mains outputs (XLR and 1/4 TRS) are more for LIVE SOUND applications where the Control Room 1/4" outputs are designed for studio monitor use... this allows you to use the CR module on the mixer and leave the MAIN fader alone... the CR volume knob and circuit is independent of the Mains fader and outputs. this is like this so you can run a set of studio monitors in a control room and also PA speakers on stage or another room etc... they are independent so you have your own master CR volume that does not effect the MAINS volume Master Fader outputs.
Does this make sense?
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Thank you everyone for your time.
I may have it narrowed down now.
I have a guitar to Chan 1 and several scenes i set up for 3 bands.
Does not work right and seems to be stuck in mono.
If i reset everything to zero out at the first preset scene then it works as it should pans L-R.
So I took the 1st scene in the beginning and loaded Vocal preset to chan 1. Guitar to chann 5 Bass to 6 etc.
I just loaded the appropriate channel preset to the channel being used for that purpose.
How did I change that and how do I fix it back.. ?
I have a gig tonight and hope to get it ready in time .
Thank You

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check out your subgroups!!! do you have inputs routed to any single sub groups ? if so the subgroups will be the point of panning... if you have an input and select it you will see the output routing to subs and mains... check what you have going on... remember if you assign an input directly to the main the channel does the panning if you go to a single sub group the subgroup is where you would pan... a stereo linked subgroup would need to be hard panned L/R and then the input channel can pan within the sub group and on to the mains... check that!

remember that the subgroups have to be assigned to the MAINS as well...
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My sub groups are Sub 1 = Reverb Sub 2= Delay Sub 4= Drums
Some how my scenes are wacked to mono and it doesn't seem like i did anything but load channel presets

Thank You again
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Finally got it .. Thank You.
 
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