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dparry
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Question:

1. I use a two different computers at different times depending on my needs. I use a Macbook Pro Laptop (generally used to mock-up demos of an idea), and, an Intel Quad Core Mac (used when I'm ready to take it further). If I purchase "StudioOne Pro"- am I limited to using it on only one of my computers- Or, do I have to buy a second license to move from machine to machine. Please advise.

2. With regards to the 24:4:2 console, If I am using the "line inputs"... does the insert on each channel facilitate ancillary outboard gear. In other words, if I wanted to use my own mic preamps into the line inputs (API's and Neves); Can I still insert additional vintage hardware on the 24:4:2 insert (the 1/4" jack) of each channel when utilizing the line mode?

3. Do the 24:4:2 console faders affect "level to hard disk" of a multi-channel live recording using the 24:4:2 internal mic pre amps? And, what about the line inputs... do the faders affect the level being recorded to hard disk for each individual track in the "Capture" software (or any other DAW software) during a live multi-channel recording.

4. Is there a solo safe mode (24:4:2) during live multi-channel recording that can be set so that an operator can solo an individual track(s) without disturbing all other tracks being recorded to hard disk at the same time?

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Quick answers are
1. Yes you can

2. Yes it works just fine http://www.presonus.com/media/manuals/PreSonus_StudioLive24.4.2._Manual_v1.pdf page 156 for the block diagram

3. This was actually two questions but we won't charge you extra. Nope and Nope

4. Yes but I'm not for sure exactly how. When you Solo from the board it only effects the board. All the recording comes off of the firewre bus after the insert (you have the option to record post EQ and Dynamics--the board's version--on each channel).

Hope that helps.
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Downloaded (and printed) the PDF manual.
Looking forward to hearing the mic pre's and Fat-Channel tools.

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dparry wrote:
4. Is there a solo safe mode (24:4:2) during live multi-channel recording that can be set so that an operator can solo an individual track(s) without disturbing all other tracks being recorded to hard disk at the same time?


The solo modes are switched by pressing and holding the SOLO button. When the SOLO button is held, it will turn red. That means the channel is soloed, destructively, as they say. In other words, the main output will send only the soloed channel(s).

PreSonus required the press and hold activation for the destructive solo just so the sound engineer doesn't accidentally mute all other non-soloed channels during a live performance.

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Isn't that the SIP (Solo In Place) button. Just hitting solo on my board the way I have it configured allows me to solo to the phones without jacking the rest of the mix at all.

I rarely if ever use Solo in place.
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Is there a one button "Solo Clear" function... removing/clearing all solos from all active solo'ed channels,,, except those in a "safe" mode (i.e. FX return channels)?

Would like to see a mode whereby the main faders actually affected the individual levels to multi-channel hard disk recording (to Capture). Was thinking (sometimes) of strapping 24 channels of API 512C on the line inputs for mic pre-amps... the 512C's have rotary level controls, to which once set in the ball park- would then be cool if levels could be finely tweaked with the 24:4:2's individual faders affecting level to individual tracks (not talking about the stereo buss here)...

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There isn't a SOLO clear button but if you use VSL you can click and hold on one then drag right or left and it will clear as far as you drag.

I'm not sure if the fader mode you are looking for is possible. The board was designed for live use. So making those kinds of adjustments could jack up the live mix. Could be a possible firmware update on the 24 if enough people asked for it though. You never know. I don't think it could be implemented on the 16 though. Not enough processor left to get it in there reliably.

An option however could be to route to some of the other outputs like the S/PDIF, sub busses, and auxes. The firewire can pick those up and would give you roughly 16 channels to record as long as you don't need them for something else. Capture doesn't pick them up but you can use Studio One to pick them up. Its the same recording engine as Capture.
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Usually were working with a "Live Sound" house mixer (he's using his own mixing board... making adjustments to the live show- based on room acoustics, performance, all that. We use Radial Splitters to take the microphone feeds to a Pro Tools HD System usually running 24-32 tracks @ 44.1/48K 24 Bit. The splits come directly from the stage microphones into our API 512C mic pre's/Neves... so we get our levels to PT hard disk there... set it and forget it.

We'd like to use the 24:4:2 as a redundant backup system for the live recording (in conjunction with our Pro Tools HD rig)

We want to utilize the 24:4:2 with "Capture" to simply act as a redundant record system on a MacBook Pro Intel Laptop (usually we record all WAV files on PT HD). The Radial Splitters are three way passive splitters with Jensen transformers. If the PT rig on the Mac Tower happens to see a glitch (never happened yet in 5 years of live recording); we like the idea of the Laptop (battery back-up) facilitating an "always on" safety back-up to the live recording. That's why we were wondering if the faders on the 24:4:2 could be used as extra gain levels to hard disk multi-chamnnel tracks. Just thought it would make the whole experience feel more analog ... at least on the PreSonus side... and offer our clients some additional trust.

We don't care about a live two channel mix (were not the house mixers) except for some headphones to just make sure the tracks are all there...
If the Pre Amps on the 24:4:2 are decent... we have no problem also using them in addition to our API/Neves. I just depends on what one does with the gear to facilitate "Live Sound" recording. The 24:4:2 seems like a logical choice for safety back-ups based on the way we work now.

We assume that the Fat Channel facilities for each incoming mic/line channel are capable of being "PRINTED" to multi-channel hard disk... is this right? Sure hope so... would be great.
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dparry wrote:
We assume that the Fat Channel facilities for each incoming mic/line channel are capable of being "PRINTED" to multi-channel hard disk... is this right? Sure hope so... would be great.


Yes. The recording feed is switchable pre/post Fat Channel.
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Nice... Thank you for the confirmation.
 
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