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billnolan
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Me as the drummer is getting the short end of the stick as we now have the 3 singers in the band get the AUX sends for there wireless mons and the 4th is used for aux fed subs, however I have a question, may be stupid but haven't tried yet and it just dawned on me, Can I use the two monitor out jacks for my own in ear mix? and just solo the channels I want to go to that mix in the monitor section, does this work well? Turn up the monitor pot, run those two cables into a rolls headphone amp/mixer and have it work well? I don't need wireless and hard wired is fine for me, I was thinking of getting the rolls mini in ear mixer running those cables to that and use the 3rd input on the rolls for my Click track.. and controlling the volume on that unit..The only other issue would be how much of certain people I want in the mix, the lead vocals are my main concern but there is no way to lower one or the other correct? as long as I just solo vocals nothing else will be in there..Dont need guitar etc and the vocal mics pick up enough bleed to keep me happy...Just curious if anyone has done this or if there are better options someone could suggest ! Thanks !
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I should also add, I could share a mix with one of them but we all like different things and I am sure they wont want a click in there ears all night... so I want to explore the monitor out jack option or even the 1/4 main out jacks, and lastly can I reduce the two outputs to one and still have both ears in mono with an adapter? Thanks

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Biggest issue is that the solo levels you choose are going to change as the mix needs to change.

But it is doable.

Are all of your subgroups used up? How badly do you need a stereo feed?
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Acually I could care less about a stereo feed, mono is more than fine for me !
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And, my apologies, I missed that you were using the 1602. No subgroups and only 4 auxes.

Your monitor outs idea is all that I can think is left unless you wanna try a second small mixer off of split input cables. Monster to configure that kind of wiring and limit impedance to mics.
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A stereo mix is the way to go. When you are limited on auxes as most of us are - you can set up a stereo mix that can be shared. It is possible. I have a stereo mix set up for the drummer that goes out of 2 auxes into a Behringer headphone amp. I then have two wireless units patched into the headphone amp that receive the very same stereo mix.
With a little practice - a compromise can be reached between musicians. I also use the PRE 2 setting for this as it helps to get a more appropriate sound from the channel strip instruments since the aux EQs cannot EQ everything. Don't use your aux EQs until your channel strip EQs are set the best and then use the aux EQ to finalize the tonal balance if needed.

Also, You could go out of the headphone jack on the console and use SOLO where you can actually drop in on that same stereo mix or you could select MAIN and listen to the actual main mix. Each mix can tell you different things. Since I mix from the stage with my own band - I set up the mix this way. If I run for another band - I will drop in on the mix via the Solo to check on things from time to time.

You will have to experiment with this and there is no better way than to use a recording of the actual band or your band to set it up. I do this with any new band I run for and it helps if everyone is using the same ear buds since the frequency response is consistent.
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One more thing...... The headphone amp can support 4 in ear units patched into the OUT. So off of ONE Global stereo mix - the drummer plugs into the front of the headphone amp and if I wanted to - connect 4 more wireless units off the back side for a total of 5 users.
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Good to hear from you again Doc! Missed ya around here.
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Monolithent wrote:Good to hear from you again Doc! Missed ya around here.


You too John! Hope all is well. Just have been super busy at the office and don't get on here as much as I would like. I am excited as a puppy in a bone shop over Rational and Dave Gunness teaming up with Presonus.... Can't wait to get my hands on the new console and speakers....

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The control room outputs will do fine if you are cool with the same mix the house gets... or run the sub off the mono out and snag aux 4 for yourself!... that's what i do on my 1602 for small clubs... subs and mains run off main stereo and mono and I get 4 aux for monitors... just have to hi-pass all channels you don't want in the subs...
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