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babs2972
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Hey guys, as promised months ago, I was going to let you all know when my speakers came in. Well they just got delivered today. I will let you know how they sound ETC. when I get them hooked up. Just in time for Christmas!!

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I will be waiting! I hope to get theses once we know more.
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Any updates?
Did you got a sub?
What do you use them for?

I'm also a QSC KW user and would love your feedback on how those sound compared to the KW122?

I'm looking into them and this are exciting times in the Live Audio segment

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Sorry it took me so long to respond. I got the speakers up and running just temporary. They are replacing two EAW vr12's at my church. I also have 2 KW 181's left and right on stage. I pole mounted the presonus speakers right on top of the subs. All ran by one of our 24.4.2. They are way better than the EAW's but compared to the KW 153's not so much. I haven't put them side by side yet but I have been running the qsc's in quite a few venues so I know what they can do. I will be doing the side by side comparison tomorrow or Thursday. So far the only thing the 315's have going for them is the size and weight for sound quality. By no means do they not sound good! They sound great. But for the hype they received they don't sound any better than the KW153's which are also amazing! We have 3 portable church campuses so I will probably be getting the 315's in the future for the size and weight only. We use 2 153's at each campus and yes, it is a full rock band. We pole mount the 87 pound 153's and it will be easier to mount the 52 pound (I think) 315's. As far as the EQ built in to the 315's I think is redundant when using the 24.4.2 with the GEQ and channel EQ. No need to add more EQ to junk up the sound. Hope this all helps! More to come later.
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Steve,
Thank's so much for following up. I appreciate your evaluation as I am on the fence myself.

I was really hoping the Presonus 2000 watts would stand out from the KW 1000watt. Do you think the new ones have more available volume before distortion than the KW's? The new class D specs seem impossible to interpret to us geezers.

Thanks again for the info.

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I put in some QSC 153's when a budget for Meyer was not there... I actually liked them a lot! Not anywhere near a Meyer UPA I wanted but still great sounding and performing speakers at a great price with a few great features like... dual inputs! I set up a rack mixer in a theater to use the second input so they culd just pop on the little guy and have 2 mics and not deal with the 2442 for little things! also they have a mute circuit that allowed them to be muted from a switch I made and once muted will shut down after no signal is present! great when flown in a perm install! this saved me having to get an electrician and a power on/of switch that would have cost a lot! you can also plug a mic directly into it with no board if you have a small gig and a talking head or just announcement... all cool ... the Meyer UPA is more of a professional real PA speaker and the QSC more for musicians/bands/lower end installations... different beasts... I was hoping to hear a better review on the Presonus 315ai...
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Well I did my side by side comparison today. I Played back some capture on my 2442 and Mac. I flattened out the GEQ and just used the para EQ on the channels. I was there tinkering for 4 hours playing the same stuff on each speaker. I tried a couple different options like L+R out to the left and right QSC 181's then directly from sub to the mains into the mains. I played back some capture and fiddled with the trim on the back of the board and on the back of the speaker for both sets of speakers. I also took DB meter readings 45' away and came up with the 315's just starting to show the limit light at 94-96 db @ 45' and I had to turn the trim knobs on the speaker all the way up to get that out of it. The sound quality was....EH... not impressive but not bad either. Now I could be totally off with my review because the 315's have alot of internal DSP that I have not gotten a chance to play with yet, but i will. That being said I also hooked up each set going L+R out of board to each main and then ran the subwoofers off a subgroup. Each hook up i set the speakers accordingly with the normal or external sub switch. The 3rd way was with no subs just the mains. I then rewound the capture track and played the same track back for each hook up scenario. So long story short on the 315's I could only get to 94db @ 45' before the limit light started to glow. Now the QSC's. I didnt touch anything on the board except the master fader, I didnt want a sharp spike of sound hitting the speakers. I put the QSC trim knobs at 12 O'clock, hit play on capture, and slowly faded the main fader up to unity.(Yes I was wearing ear plugs this whole time) I went back to the 45' mark and the DB meter read 104db. I then went back to the speaker to see how hard the limit light was on and it wasn't. This kind of impressed me. but what impressed me more was the sound was the same as if it was at 90db, clear. So if I had to make a purchase again the very noticable sound difference of the QSC's will have my vote. I think I covered just about all. Hope it helps.
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Thanks for the info... sounds like you went about it in a subjective manner and got good results.

now what is the retail price point on these two models?

I am thinking for some permanent installations the Presonus 315ai might be a good option... they do have some cool EQ facilities that could be useful in a multi speaker industrial or business installations.
For live sound reinforcement and band use the QSC is the better option and they have a larger selection of associated speakers...

I installed a film system using the 153's as L/C/R with a KW sub and K10 rears and backs... and they have been performing very well in a 5.1 / 7.1 set up with a 24.4.2 console and a Symetrix Jupiter 8 speaker management system.
I am a Meyer Guy but not all installations are able to afford that level so the QSCs fit real well.. I am hoping the Presonus can fit in as well... I really like what they offer and do as a company and I like supporting that! I am hoping to get a set in a local distributor that I can demo. I like having options for my installation business.
thanks for your info!
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Sweetwater has the 315's for 1499.95 and the QSC for 1439.99 both free shipping and 2 year warranty plus tech support. I got my 315's from them and waited 4 months. They said I was their first customer on the list for them.
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Hmmm.... Can you play some music that comes straight off of a deck with NO EQ engaged into the console with No EQ engaged and then compare?

Speakers need to be clearly away from walls - especially the subs... There is so much more to discover here...

From the phase traces I have seen on the AI Speakers - I don't know how you get any more linear than that.
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linear is one thing, loud is another, having both is the key. It sounds like Babs can't get the AI's as loud as the KW's. That's kind of a bummer. But, then again, I can't afford 3000 dollar a pair speakers anyway so I'll stick with buying used horns from the 80's for 500 dollars a pair and tune them with my driverack, it's been working for me economically, sounds good too

But, this is only one review, as more of these get used we should get a better picture of what people think. But, having Babs put them up against KW153s is about as good a shootout as it can get.

If I was in the market for expensive brand new speakers, I'd be looking at synergy horns, Yum

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I wonder if the limiter isn't just set to tight?
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One thing that bears understanding at this point is that the Ai speakers are using a multi band limiter set much lower than that of any other speaker I've ever seen. This is intentional and the speaker is going to hit the limiters at lower levels. From what I understand this is by design. Dave Gunness and the folks at Presonus didn't want these to get loud and ugly like so many self powered speakers do when users aren't careful.

I have the 315 Ai and I agree that they are not as loud as the 153 but there are a number of advantages. Much better response is one. My mix translates to these better at all levels not just the low levels. These don't fatigue my ears like others do (especially nearly anything jbl). These have added capabilities in the works that simply aren't possible on much of anything else in the price range and very few things more expensive.

A thing to remember, to add more volume, you don't add more power. Power is for headroom and these have that in my opinion. I will personally just add more if I need more volume.

Anyone know the sensitivity of the drivers in either unit?
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Our rep brought the line in and we demo'd before selling.

The AI stuff is not happening yet, so I can't give a report on that.

None of the speakers punch like QSCs, which is what we compared them to. I used KW series and K series.

To my ear, the triple eight box is going to be great for vocals, acoustic music, etc.
The 12" is probably my favorite. It is going to be better for more aggressive music, IMO.
I did not listen to the 15. I will never sell a 15 in my world.
There is a bit of a gap between the full range cabs and the sub.
The sub sounds better than the KW181 IMO. It is deeper. It has a better punch. The KW181 sounds kind of thuddy to me.

I was at unity out of the StudioLive16.4.2 coming into these speakers, and the QSC just had more gain and output. It was easier to make the PreSonus input distort. There was more noise out of the PreSonus. When the music is playing, it is not noticeable.

Using a few mics from Shure, AT and AKG, the gain before feedback is much better on the PreSonus. When they did ring, they rang at higher frequencies, much higher than the KWs and Ks. It will be much easier to put filters on the top end of the PreSonus without jacking the high end of the vocal range.

The PreSonus sound is very full. PreSonus will have to educate sales people how to demo them. The average customer is kind of ignorant to what full sound with accurate mids sounds like. This is going to be like selling Community speakers. I started playing some piano recordings from Jordan Rudess on the PreSonus. I switched to the QSCs and everyone's eyes got huge and their mouths opened. The KW122 suddenly sounded scooped as scooped could be. The PreSonus was full, natural.

The crossover and horn distortion is very different than the QSCs. The QSCs have this wicked harshness when pushed hard at high frequencies. The PreSonus definitely sound like a horn, and they have a sound to them, but they sound nicer, not as harsh. I must say that I think they sound a bit mellow by comparison. More hi-fi.

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I gotta agree with Brent, there is some very low level hiss but I think I had the amps cranked when I heard it. Will have to test again at lower levels.

And I also agree that there is more punch in the qsc.

Brent, did it take you a while to really figure out how to make these shine? I know I used them a few times before I really figured out that I had to change how I mixed to get the best results. I had become too used to fighting my old speakers. Those habits were hard to break.

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