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4 stereo IEM with a 16 4 2????/ Use studio One for effects live?
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4 stereo IEM with a 16 4 2???? Can this be done?

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There are only 18 returns, so I'm not sure how you could use 8 of them for IEMs.
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I guess I need to be clearer as to what I’m doing. I’m using the 6 auxes for IEM. I’m currently running Aux 1, 2, in linked for stereo and the rest as mono. I would like to run three more in stereo but I can only do two more. Any Ideas?


As for Studio one i was going to route the FX back to an extra channel


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You can create a general stereo mix for everyone using AUX1/2 then they all get their own mono mix as well with 3,4,5,and6, then you need a headphone amp like the HA4700 headphone amp, there are other presonus may even have something like this, it will take the stereo signal and mix it with each mono signal to give the musicians a stereo mix that they can add "more me" to using the mono auxes.

check this out as they explain it very well, pretty recent thread too:
http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/41015.page


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You can route the SL FX sends to the S/PDIF output. That plus a S/PDIF-to-line converter gives you two more fully functional auxes, at the cost of your internal FXes. But since you consider using S1 for effects (which is completely doable) that shouldn't be a problem.

The only drawback of the "FX auxes" is that you can't link them into one stereo aux with panning. For 6 semi-stereo mixes (e.g. by using an HP60) that shouldn't be a problem.

PS. You can use the "FX auxes" as a 100% stereo IEM mix but the panning is a bit awkward. You want to send the same inputs both to left and right ear. The level differences between the mix inputs in FXA and FXB set the panning.

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bdcomer wrote:4 stereo IEM with a 16 4 2???? Can this be done?

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Yes you can but the fourth one won't be a separate individual mix. It will be a duplicate of one of the three mixes. Out of the three stereo mixes you have..... Choose the one you like best and then run your ear buds or in-ear transmitter out of the console headphone jack. Engage SOLO on your stereo aux of choice. Engage SOLO on the Master section of the board.... Turn up the Phones knob. There you go.. Make sure the MAIN button isn't selected but you could toggle back and forth to hear the difference. You can also drop in on the other auxes to check on them from time to time if you want.
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My thoughts:

This is assumed with the use of a PreSonus HP60 Headphone Amp.
Stereo ControlRoom out of main mix into stereo input A of headphone amp. This provides a stereo image of the final mix available for each headphone amp channel to add to each mix.
Then, run an Aux-out for each member into each input of the HP60... Aux1>Ch1... Aux2>Ch2, etc.
This gives the user the ability to add a mono Aux signal into their channel on the headphone amp.

User #1 plugs IEMs into output of Ch1 of HP60 and adds both the Main stereo mix and the mono Aux1 mix into their ears. At that point, they can now explicitly "add" whatever they need MORE of by adding level of THAT source in the Aux1 mixer. So if they want to hear more of their own vocal, they add more into their Aux1 mix and it will be center-panned (mono) added to the stereo mix in their IEMs.

This way, you can use all-6 Auxes for up to 6 people and still have stereo imaging.
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Again, my solution above is a workaround in lieu of dedicated stereo sends for all 4 users. There will be a stereo aspect of the mix that they all share for spatial imaging, but each user can only "add" a mono signal to augment that image. They will not be able to modify pannings.

The only way I can think of to get a TRUE stereo mix with all the native controlling of volume, panning and fat-channel editing is to go to the SL24.4.2 which has 10 AUX'es... but that's not what you're looking to do.

At least with my solution above, users can still use their iDevices to manage their mixes with the exception of the "stereo mix" which needs to be controlled physically from the headphone amp.
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As has been said there are limitations to the semi-stereo control. But I have been using this system for well over a year with no complaints from the other band members. To put things in perspective is the following:

1) There is not much really that is typically panned in stereo.

Keyboards, drum overheads, a brass section or if there are multiple guitarists, it would be a good idea to pan them on different sides. Stereo effects also sound great in stereo. Yet, the crucial things which everybody needs to hear properly and are typically panned dead center anyway (and therefore left to each musician to blend to taste) are things like bass drum, snare, bass and vocals. But even with these few things panned, the listening experience is vastly enhanced. Besides, if you are the drummer and want to hear more of the overheads, you can always increase the level in your own AUX mix (albeit reducing the stereo separation in your own mix).

2) A proper mix is a proper mix

Provided the stereo mix makes sense and done properly you are bound to receive few complaints. If, in the above example, you have a stereo mix where the brass are set at a reasonable level when compared to the drum overheads and when compared to the keyboards, the band members will not mind sharing that mix (whilst still having control over all other things not stereo panned). Again, if you are the keyboard player you can still raise the keyboards in your own AUX mix if you would like it to be heard louder when compared to the overheads.

3) The fact that each musician can have an individually set balance between the stereo mix and their own personal AUX mix from the headphone amp means if they are not happy with the stereo mix they can reduce the bias in favour of the AUX Mix.

4) You WILL have a problem if all but one of the band members objects to hearing one of the components of your stereo mix - say one member absolutely does not want to hear the drum overheads - your choice is to either take it out of the stereo mix (thereby denying it to everyone) or to leave that particular member out of the stereo mix - this however is rare.

5) You WILL have a problem if you have two finicky band members, one wanting to hear the saxophone on the left headphone with the other really wanting to hear it on the right - again this is rare. I typically pan the instruments on the same side as the band members are placed on stage from the musicians' perspective and never had a problem with it.

I have used both dedicated stereo AUX mixes and the above described shared stereo mixes and honestly I was equally happy with both.


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