image description


Why do you have multiple DAWs?
  Forum Index » Studio One General Discussion 
Author
Message
CPhoenix
Presonoid

Joined: 13/03/2011 00:11:38
Messages: 1993
Location: North Jersey
Offline

Just curious.

WIth Sonar X3 coming out.. I've noticed there's a lot of people who still use multiple DAWs.

If you're an S1 user... what is S1 lacking that you feel the need to go to another DAW from time to time?

And if you're primarily another DAW user.. what is your DAW lacking that you feel the need to fire up S1 from time to time?



I'm only speaking for those who legimately pay for their DAWs obviously. Anybody can "have" multiple DAWs for convenience when they didn't pay for it... however... if you've done the right thing and paid for multiple DAWs (can't believe I even have to mention this at all lol), I'm just curious to know why?

Side-bar (And please don't come up in here saying "Yeah.. sometimes I like working on loops in Ableton, rendering that down and using Cubase's VST articulations, doing my arrangements in S1, bouncing it down to run it through Reason's SSL mixer, and then exporting it to pro Tools so I can bring it to the studio". I'm not going to believe you bought that many DAWs for those small functions lol. However... the "I used to be on Sonar 8... then upgraded to Cubase 6... and now S1, but Sonar X3 got me interested, so I tried it out"... I'd like to hear those more believable scenarios.)
Win 8.1 x64 // i7 3930K (@ 4.2GHz) // Samsung Pro 512GB // 500GB SSD (via Raid 0) // 2TB HD // 32GB RAM // Antec Kuhler 620 // Radeon HD 7870 + Radeon 5450 // MSI X79a GD45 Plus mobo// TI chipset Firewire card

DAW(s): Studio One v2.6 // Maschine Studio // Reason 7 via Rewire
Plugs: UAD 2 Quad, Softube CL 1b, Klanghelm, Toneboosters, Soundtoys, Slate VTM, Kramer Tape
Instr.: Addictive Drums, Gladiator2, Sylenth, AAS Bundle, K9U, IK Total Studio 3, Cinesamples, RealGuitar/Strat/LPC, Trilian

RME UCX // AKG c214 // SM57 + Cloudlifter CL1 // JBL LSR 4328p // FMR RNLA // Korg Kaossilator Pro // Novation 61 SL MKii // Korg MicroKey 25 // Presonus Faderport // Contour Designs Shuttle Pro

Next up: Motif XS rack
[WWW]
Jlien X
Presonic
[Avatar]

Joined: 21/03/2013 13:02:31
Messages: 476
Location: Tokyo
Offline

I sincerely hope this thread will be a positive, informative and educational thread. I have to go to bed soon so I'll post maybe tomorrow why I use two daws (S1&Sonar).
PC: ProBook 4710s, Core2 Duo CPU T9600 @2.80GHz, 8GB RAM
OS: Windows 7 Professional (Japanese) 64-bit SP1
Audio/MIDI: Quad-Capture (interface), A-800PRO (keyboard controller)
DAW: Studio One Producer 2.6.2 (64-bit), SONAR X3e (64-bit)
sunmachine
Presonoid
[Avatar]
Joined: 28/07/2010 18:49:29
Messages: 2629
Location: Germany
Offline

I'm using Studio One for composing and producing and Harrison Mixbus for mixing.
That way I have these tasks clearly separated and start with a clean audio only session when it comes to mixing.
Mixbus has full featured channel strips with EQ and compressor with all their controls directly on the surface so you won't have to add many plug-ins and can tweak the parameters without having to open plug-in windows. Everything's in place like on a real console. (I never used one, though )
MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo | 4 GB RAM | Mac OS X 10.6 | Studio One 2 Professional, 32 Bit
Sonic Core SCOPE | Pentium 4, 2.4 GHz | Windows XP@8 GB Compact Flash Card
tc electronic Impact Twin | novation Remote 61SL Mk II

Get 5 GB free GOBBLER space in the cloud for your DAW projects! For Mac and PC
[WWW]
LMike
Baconator
[Avatar]

Joined: 19/02/2011 12:02:34
Messages: 8233
Offline

I occasionally mix in MixBus also but I don' tmuch like Ardour so I do all of the editing and prepping in S1 first.
Studio One Tips For Newbs

"So.... Bitwig. I wonder what's queued up next in line on the drama list?"
Tacman7
Presonic
[Avatar]

Joined: 01/04/2013 19:36:25
Messages: 422
Offline

I bought X2 and a bunch of tutorials and was going along with them and all. Seemed more like a bunch of apps trying to work together, which is what modern DAWs are.

X2 just didn't do that much for me. Then I got into S1 and it fulfilled the promise of a Modern DAW.


The upgrade is tempting because I was thinking about buying addictive anyway.

I'd like it if I could use addictive drums in S1 AND X3.

Also will my melodyne editor that I bought for S1 work in X3?

But I've used a lot of DAWs. I think it's educational knowing more than one.

The more you know the better you can make your way around in a new DAW.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 03/10/2013 17:34:25

Studio One 2 Professional
8.164bit Studio Konnect 48
jpettit
Presonoid
[Avatar]

Joined: 13/01/2011 23:44:45
Messages: 2211
Location: Portland Oregon
Offline

1) Studio One, because it is "King of the workflow", 21 century audio engine ( stable, gap-less,ARA, Zplane)
2) Sonar, because I grew up on it, it has a few features that are not in S1 yet. (Tempo map and Matrix arranger, rich MIDI)
3) Reaper to study the possibility of flexibility/ configuration and as a sanity check when issues occur in S1
4) Adobe Audition mostly to do some surgical isolation of a voice or noise reductions fixing pops and crackles etc.and part of my Video editing suite

I agree that this conversation should be to Presonus's benefit
My Website
FRs: Tempo Detection & Mapping
Training Videos: Advance Melodyne, Creating Macros, 2.5 New Features, Signal Flow, Audio Timing Drum Replacement, Tempo Mapping, Useful Macros, Transformations, Layer/Takes/Comps
Simultaneous Audio Interfaces: Audiobox 1818VSL, RME 9632, Line 6 UX2, HF Presonus HP-60
DAWs: Studio One Pro 2.6.1, Reaper 4.5, Sonar X3c Pro, Adobe Audition CS5
Computer: OS:Win7 64-bit, Core i7 950, ASUS P6X58D Premium, 12GB DDR3 1600, GeForce GTX 470 (for CUDA) ,SSD Boot & Cache drives, 1 Tera 7200 RPM SATA II Audio & Video drives, UAD-2 x2
[WWW]
matthewgorman
Presonoid
[Avatar]

Joined: 24/02/2011 21:30:31
Messages: 3219
Location: Somewhere in the swamps of Jersey.
Offline

My cat's breath smells like tuna.
Matt

Lenovo Thinkpad E520, Windows 7 64bt, 8 GB RAM, Intel i5 Processor
StarTech EC13942 34mm Expresscard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839158010&Tpk=startech%20EC13942
S1Pro V2 (Special Dog Balls Edition), Melodyne Editor, Nomad Factory Studio Bundle, Waves Renaissance Bundle, Firestudio Tube, Faderport, Monitor Station, HP4 Headphone Amp Yamaha HS50 Monitors.
Shure Mics (57's, 58's, and a 1953 Unidyne), Various AKG, Various MXL Ribbon Mics.

1974 P-Bass, 1990 Jazz, 1985 Guild B302, Ampeg SVT with 4x10x15 cabinet

http://soundcloud.com/stars_apart
ankely
Prenoob
[Avatar]

Joined: 04/05/2012 05:55:53
Messages: 5
Location: Over the Hills and Far Away...
Offline

Hey All.

I use several DAWs.

Each more or less for specific tasks:


I like composing in Logic. It has the best CPU performance, most compatibility with plugins especially things like Melodyne, VocAlign, RX, and the ability to use an external audio editor.

It is very good at time stretch manipulation also.


Studio One is hands down the best thing yet for time stretching and slip editing in one DAW. Bar none.

I have S1 set to 'use cache for timestretched audio files'. I also hand place all audio bend markers. That's the secret to best performance.

I use S1 for any thing where I need to retime and edit the hell out of a session.

Unfortunately, S1 has absolutely terrible CPU performance and is weird with some plugins. Really bad CPU spikes.

Maybe one day when these are resolved, I'll use it more for composing, etc.


Reaper is getting a lot of usage lately for editing, specifically cutting up stems for sample libraries. I usually use S1 for this, but I ran into a problem lately where S1 doesn't import markers/regions from audio files. Damn !!!

Reaper is great for batch processing and most audio editing. It's time stretch is pretty good. As good as Logic, not as good as S1.

CPU usage is second best to Logic, but Reaper has lots of quirks with plugins, VIs, graphics, etc.


Pro Tools I rarely if ever use. I've used it on two projects in the last few years as the stems I needed to edit already were in PT with all the regions and markers laid out.

PT has the worst performance of all DAWs I use other than Digital Performer. Crash after crash. CPU spike after CPU spike. Unstable and cranky software. Period.


I've been using or at least have had Digital Performer since the mid '90s. It used to be great. It doesn't seem to have transitioned to OSX and VIs very well at all.

It's great for a MIDI rig with minimal editing of audio. It's still a decade behind everything else, such as time stretch, plugin and VI performance, etc.


Reason I like a lot. Great sounds and FX, very CPU friendly up until R6.

I mostly had used it rewired into PT. These days I use it standalone a bit.


GarageBand I have only used in sample development.


So as reference, what I do is edit tons of loop and sample libraries and compose.

Part of why I have so many DAWs is I'm a Gear Dork and I work on sample and loop libraries in many formats such as, Apple, Acid and Rex Loops, NI Kontakt, Reason NNXT, Apple/Logic EXS/Garageband and Avid/Pro Tools Structure Sampler Formats, etc.

I have been a trainer for both Apple/Logic and Digidesign/Avid.

I've been working with DAWs since the early '90s.

There are links in my sig outlining my experiences.

Hope this helps.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 03/10/2013 18:07:49

S1 2.6.2, Mac Book Pro 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo OS 10.6.8 4GB/Ram, Mbox2, Saffire Pro 40, OWC HDs, KeyRig 49, etc...
------
It is what it is...

http://www.reverbnation.com/screwmaker
[WWW]
kreeper_6
Presonoid
[Avatar]

Joined: 23/04/2009 11:13:38
Messages: 2344
Offline

Tacman7 wrote:
Also will my melodyne editor that I bought for S1 work in X3?



Yep. Its a full on Editor License, I've been testing out X3's new ARA feature with my upgrade from V2.

When it comes to multi DAW usage, S1 is the only DAW I work in that is of that flavor. I came up on SONAR ( v2 - v8 ) and X3 made me want to go back and play around to see what they've been up to. I use Reason very little but I have tons of demos spanning over the years having started using it from the beginning of its existence (Lots of ReBirth demos too!). Ableton doesn't grab me and I never liked the Cubase style.
Windows 8.1 x64 / Core2 Q6600 / Gigabyte EP35-DS3R F4 / 4GB DDR2 800 / EVGA GTX 650 Ti SC
Studio One x64 / 24Bit / 48kHz / 256 Buffer / Double Precision
FireStudio Tube / Axiom 25 / UAD-2 Quad v7.3
LMike
Baconator
[Avatar]

Joined: 19/02/2011 12:02:34
Messages: 8233
Offline

ARA is simply flawless here. It's really fast and accurate and almost invisible in use. I cannot even imagine using Melodyne without it.

Looking at the guys tip video here about VocAlign, that would be another really great use of ARA. Given how obvious that is I would find it hard to think that PreSonus hasn't put that bug in their ear already.
Studio One Tips For Newbs

"So.... Bitwig. I wonder what's queued up next in line on the drama list?"
Dave Modisette
Prenoob
[Avatar]

Joined: 28/06/2013 15:22:37
Messages: 53
Location: Brandon, FL
Offline

ankely wrote:Hey All.

I use several DAWs.

<SNIP>


Studio One is hands down the best thing yet for time stretching and slip editing in one DAW. Bar none.

I have S1 set to 'use cache for timestretched audio files'. I also hand place all audio bend markers. That's the secret to best performance.

I use S1 for any thing where I need to retime and edit the hell out of a session.

<SNIP>


I've got to agree that Audio Bend is awesome. I'm hooked on it because I can place a couple of transient markers and bend just the spots I need to fix.
Dave Modisette
www.gatortraks.com
www.facebook.com/gatortraks
[WWW]
Bub
Presonic
[Avatar]

Joined: 28/08/2013 22:12:35
Messages: 468
Location: Peculiar, MO
Offline

Why do you have multiple DAW's?


I stuck with my last DAW for almost 20 years supporting them.

I wouldn't have multiple DAWs, I would make do with what I had, but the one I was using did a massive version update and it started causing problems on some people's systems. After 2 years of trying to get it working right between patches, and paid version upgrades, I tried some demo's, and fell in love with Studio One and that's how I ended up with two DAW's.

I mention all this because I think this is a big reason why some people end up with two or more DAW's. Something gets broken in the one they use, they try the demo of something else and it works on the same system the other DAW wouldn't run on and the rest is history. Then of course you have the professionals that do mixing and mastering that collect different DAW's for project compatibility reasons.

Even though I ultimately only wanted one DAW, I have to say it is fun switching between them some times. I kind of get bored looking at the same thing all the time, but Studio One always feels 'right' so I've been using it the most.

If you're an S1 user... what is S1 lacking that you feel the need to go to another DAW from time to time?


I've never felt the need to go to another DAW because of lack of features. They're all jam packed full of great functionality and if you can't make great music with DAW X, Y, or Z ... then maybe this isn't for you.

For me it's all about stability. I've looked at other DAW's and thought that a feature was cool, but for example, I'd never dish out $149 bucks for a comping feature that X3 does slightly different (not necessarily better) than Studio One.

Even when Studio One 3.0 comes out, it's going to take a lot to get me to upgrade. 2.6 works great for my needs. A nice Auto Dynamic EQ would righteous, or an Auto Phase Adjustment tool like Melda offers? Nudge nudge, wink wink. That AutoAlign tool of theirs is incredible. You know, something different and usable rather than another EQ, Compressor, or Delay, or Console EMU ... etc etc. I mean, I just dished out $168 bucks to Melda for the Audio Dynamic EQ ... I would rather have given that money to Presonus for an upgrade that came with one. How hard can they be to code?

Bub
"I'd rather clean all the bathrooms in Grand Central Station with my tongue than spend one more minute with you."
Toth
Presonoid
[Avatar]

Joined: 02/09/2011 04:33:17
Messages: 1194
Offline

I only use Studio One now. When I made the switch to it, I kind of did it cold turkey. After using S1 for some time I open my old DAW but I couldn't deal with the clunky workflow. I don't even have it installed on my system anymore. That was two years ago and I'm sure they've made improvements, but why spend the money.

I have never come across an issue for which I needed another DAW to solve. I can always creatively work around S1's missing features and limitations. I look at this as a good thing because it allows me to be creative. It's a challenge, and being challenged means I won't get bored.
SoundCloud: http://soundcloud.com/toth_music
[WWW]
hibidy
Presonoid

Joined: 01/02/2011 09:13:29
Messages: 2320
Offline

edit, n/m, it's just one person trolling

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 04/10/2013 01:53:16

New computer:

2.6.2/win7x64 ultimate/SSD os and library/i7 4770/16GB ram

Focusrite saffire 14/Novation impulse 49/tons of VST goodies

hibidy
Presonoid

Joined: 01/02/2011 09:13:29
Messages: 2320
Offline

As for the OP, I've always been a searcher. But I do own a bunch of hosts, and have owned more.

Currently I'm about 70/30 live/S1. I like live because I'm comfortable with it and it's really stable. I like linear approach better though for some things, and S1 really fills my needs (except for the cpu spike issue)

As for what S1 is missing, really nothing. I have a terrible time with the CPU use though. I'm not alone, and there are plenty that don't have the problem. It's my one gripe. It kinda scares me away from using it more.
New computer:

2.6.2/win7x64 ultimate/SSD os and library/i7 4770/16GB ram

Focusrite saffire 14/Novation impulse 49/tons of VST goodies

 
Forum Index » Studio One General Discussion
Go to: