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jimivaughnking
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We are getting ready to upgrade from an A&H mixer and a full rack of DBX FOH outboard gear to the Studio Live 16.4.1. Anything in the FOH rack that we should keep? Our engineer loves the idea of not having anything but the SL to work from. Anyone still using GEQ outboard, comps, gates, fx etc? Let me know your FOH setups.
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I started with a 16ch analog mixer, vocal effects processor, quad compressor/gate, dual 31-band EQ, dual 15-band eq.

I ended up with a StudioLive 16.4.2.

Of course, I still have the other rack-mounted equipment that I would not call "FOH equipment". This includes my IEMs, wireless and guitar signal processor.

Eventually, I will buy a mixer rack to mount all of that equipment into a single unit. I can't wait for that day, because I estimate saving about 10-15 minutes of setup time.

I haven't really touched the SL's EQs, yet. I usually keep the FX on a quick delay for vocals. But, I really do appreciate not having to carry all that other equipment.

Not only that, but I don't have to carry all those extra insert cables nor take the extra time to connect everything.

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jpitzer
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I'd keep the any 31 band EQ's you have. During a show, it's probably better to use them rather than the onboard GEQ for the mains as you'll get a "plopping" sound. Hopefully Presonus will eliminate that issue in the future.
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I run just my SL. Never looked back. I don't use the 31 band eq so I haven't heard the dreaded plop everyone complains about. The parametrics are working for what I need. I'm lucky enough that the bands I work with don't have any real tonal problems. Either that or my rig is dialed in enough where it sounds that way
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We have a Tc electronics fx processor for chorus and a DBX driverack, that's all!
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monitor EQs. 31-bands. 4 of them.

oh, and a power conditioner.
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I still like to keep my rack EQ's for mains and monitors just for quick access, plus the monitor EQ's (31 band) have more
overall adjustability then the SL aux 1-4 eq's.
I also still keep a Alesis Quadraverb alive and use it along with the SL's built in FX.

The rest of the outboard gear is gone, no more gate, comp, limiters, and other FX.
rgordon31
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Still use my 31 band graphic EQs for monitors and FOH. Much like the last reponder, I have an Alesis effects processor for an additional effect source. Other than that, all I use is a DBX crossover for FOH (Subs and a pair of old JBL biampable mid-high boxes).
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nothing at the moment apart form wireless gear, looking at buying a dual 31 band though not sure where to start looking for something good - music shops in Brisbane are crap

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PhilG wrote:nothing at the moment apart form wireless gear, looking at buying a dual 31 band though not sure where to start looking for something good - music shops in Brisbane are crap


That's a pisser - I'm over there next month and was looking for something to do while my wife is shopping.

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PhilG wrote:nothing at the moment apart form wireless gear, looking at buying a dual 31 band though not sure where to start looking for something good - music shops in Brisbane are crap


What about Musiclab 34 Campbell St
Bowen Hills QLD 4006

(07) 3332 8188
musiclab.com.au?

dbx 231 good starting point if your looking for a dual 31

my outboard varies on setting/application.

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I really messed up with this.....I sold my mixer and rack and I want it back or an upgrade (Perhaps Yamaha???) from this Presonus P.O.S. Too many frustrations. First, you can't control the amount of FX in the aux sends. That's even available on the cheap Mackie stuff. Second, the firewire ports are firewire 400. Macs have 800, so you have to buy another cable. So I did, and now the POS is not recognized by the software. Third, the amount of FX is VERY limited.

This thing should be much easier to use than this. I'm going to trash this thing with a hammer and put it on youtube. Enjoy!
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jason2277 wrote:I really messed up with this.....I sold my mixer and rack and I want it back or an upgrade (Perhaps Yamaha???) from this Presonus P.O.S. Too many frustrations. First, you can't control the amount of FX in the aux sends. That's even available on the cheap Mackie stuff. Second, the firewire ports are firewire 400. Macs have 800, so you have to buy another cable. So I did, and now the POS is not recognized by the software. Third, the amount of FX is VERY limited.

This thing should be much easier to use than this. I'm going to trash this thing with a hammer and put it on youtube. Enjoy!


Don't trash it on YouTube. I will pay for the shipping to take it off your hands.

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I still use TC M300 outboard effects, but I haven't had the 24.4.2 for long enough to get used to the onboard effects. I'll keep using the TC in any case because I really like things like TC's Dynamic Delay - and the ability to easily access various parameters all the time. It's got a great 'all knobs' user interface. It's routed to the Aux A stereo input & then assigned to a subgroup pair. I'll use the internal effects mostly on instruments at times - & the TC mostly on vocals.

I still have analog eqs patched in - but I plan to eliminate those & use the onboard 31 band eqs for house & monitor systems.
The full parametric EQs on all channels are excellent.

I think the Presonus gating & compression sounds quite transparent - I'm a fan of digital compression - it seems to me that it does not suck the life out of the sound like almost every analog compressor does at higher levels of compression. I plan to put the TC C300 / C400 digital compressors up against the Presonus & I'll keep the TCs if I like them better - they've got a great interface & a unique ability to vary the mix of the compressed & uncompressed signal - plus those input & gain reduction displays are always there. But from what I've heard from the Presonus compression so far, I wouldn't worry about it much if I didn't have the TCs already.

However, all of the visual feedback and the Fat Channel stuff is so much nicer to use when you have VSL installed & running. I didn't realize how wide the full 24 channel VSL display is - so I am thinking of going to two 19" LCDs so we don't have to scroll left & right. I don't think that you can display all the gain reduction and input levels simultaneously in VSL, I hope they add that capability.

@Jason2277 - You can route internal effects to the Aux sends on the 24.4.2 by pressing the Mix button a second time. I do not know if you'll have that on the 16.4.2 though. IF the 16.4.2 allows you to put signal from AUX A or AUX B into your Aux Sends - and if you have a subgroup to spare- then you could assign the onboard effects to a subgroup, plug your Subgroup Out to AUX A or B input & then control your mix back to your Aux sends. Or if you have a channel to spare on the board, route the Subgroup out back into a channel and then mix it into your Aux. Uses a channel or two, but should solve your problem. On the other hand, it sounds like you might just use an outboard effects unit - they have their advantages in any case. It looks like lots of people have used VSL sucessfully on a Mac - not sure what your issue is there... are you sure you know how to launch the VSL window from the Universal Control display? On mine it was not obvious, but click on the StudioLive photo/icon & see if it comes up.
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Just one thing: my old ADAT HD24 recorder. Recording straight to a computer hasn't proven to be reliable with my setup yet.

As for sound though, absolutely nothing. I could see the need for some sound engineers to hook up vocal processors or special effects, but I get along just fine with the built-in delays & reverbs. Maybe I just try to simplify my life too much, but I don't even see the need for outboard EQ's. The parametrics built in to every fat channel work fine for me. I've seen too many soundmen who have too many toys and not enough talent. I find that with good speakers (I love my JBL PRX system!), superfine eq'ing is unnecessary.
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