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MikeN47
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Just got the StudioLive 16 just a couple of weeks ago and was wondering about a few things. Can scenes/mixes be copied? I've seen something about this in the manual, but it's not too clear. I am also looking at using a dbx DriverackPX and wondering if it will actually add anything since this board seems to have most of the features a driverackPX would offer. I am using QSC KW122's for mains with JBL powered subs (At least until I can get 2 QSC subs). Again, with a speaker set up like this, just not sure if hooking a driverack in the signal chain will give me any real gains.
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You can save the scene as a new name. As far as copying from one scene to the other you'll need to use the VSL software to accomplish this! There are some good videos here that might help.
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hi mike,

im new to this stuff too... mono and jerrd has been a great help to me with regards to this. i was also planning to buy the driverack px... but they suggested if i would consider driverack 260... im convinced its better.... i think specially your using a different sub for now... it has delay... and the parametrics too are better...

im saving to buy one...

by the way welcome! try reading the spectrum analyzer thread...

kibo

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Welcome,

You can of course save and recall the scenes you create, where do you want to "copy" them to? Are you wanting to load to another desk?

With the driverack PX; over on the QSC forums Bob Lee et al consider the unit unnecessary. Considering the KW's have their own crossovers, inbuilt limiting tuned to and by the speaker/amp manufacturer (try and better them), and advanced DSP to tune what is already a well behaved speaker when it comes to frequency response. Then of course your studiolive has tools such as the graphic eq.

For now save the PX money to help with the move to the KW181's. Hire or borrow a PX later if you want to see if it's worth putting one in your system.

BTW how do you find the KW122's? Happen to hear the KW153's over the KW181's?
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Not completely disagreeing with the great funky one. I would recommend some type of external processing only for the simple fact that you are using different brands of speakers at the moment. Some type of crossover would get everything running smoothly. Doesn't have to be a driverack. For the parametrics they are there to help smooth out your system response. Delay gets your drivers aligned so you don't get phase issues.

Understand, you can get by for quite a while without all these additions but I will tell you that once you get your system tuned it will make life easier (less to no feedback) and make mixing more fun (less time fixing and more time being creative).

My suggestion is along the same lines as funkafize...get your gear first then worry about tuning it to the extremes. About the only thing for processing I would highly recommend at this stage is a crossover.
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Monolithent wrote:Not completely disagreeing with the great funky one. I would recommend some type of external processing only for the simple fact that you are using different brands of speakers at the moment. Some type of crossover would get everything running smoothly.


Both powered speaker systems (JBL subs and QSC tops) have an active crossover already built in. Simply using that should be enough to get the system running ok.


Monolithent wrote:
Understand, you can get by for quite a while without all these additions but I will tell you that once you get your system tuned it will make life easier (less to no feedback) and make mixing more fun (less time fixing and more time being creative).


Those speakers should already have all the processing needed built in - unless the manufacturers did big mistakes in designing them
Regarding feedbacks: The better the speaker and microphones, the less feedback the system will produce. The Main GEQ in the StudioLive is more than enough to get feedbacks sorted - no need for a driverack at all. Especially as a system controller like that is meant to EQ for the system - not for the venue.

BTW: I used a lot of different controllers in the past, ranging from cheap Behringer DCX2496 (still the best value for money!), dbx DriveRack PA/PX, BSS MiniDrive/OminiDrive to Dolby/Lab Lake and Meyer Sound Galileo. Unfortunately (and sad for the brand), the DriveRack PA/PX are the worst controllers money can buy. If you want a cheap but working controller: get a DCX2496. If you got more money to spend and really need a great one: Buy Xilica.
Both the DriveRack PA and PX will produce a loud pop noise in case of a powerloss. Even the Behringer is better regarding that matter...
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I thought they had the popping problem fixed in the latest generations. I'm sure I read it somewhere. Of course I could be wrong.

I don't have the pieces he has. So I'm unaware of what kind of DSP is in them. I don't know if the play nice together or not just suggestions to help. Thanks for setting me straight. That's twice in a week...I've got to stop drinking. Well maybe just slow down.

I use one of the first generation driverack PAs and I am so worried about the power problem that it actually has it's own battery backup. Both it and my parametric run from it to be safe. Gives me a chance to shutdown gently or wait for power if I need to. I'm probably one of the few people who still refuses to give up my passive speakers and separate amps.

Not that I'm suggesting that he go this route at this point but I use my gear in addition to Smaart Systune and REW. The DriveRack (or other brand item) is invaluable to me personally for what it offers to the use of this stuff.

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Monolithent wrote:
I use one of the first generation driverack PAs and I am so worried about the power problem that it actually has it's own battery backup. Both it and my parametric run from it to be safe.


The problem in my case was the mains power cord to disconnect from the unit due to vibrations from speakers near the amp rack. Just to be safe: use a little hot glue to fix the plug at the unit


Monolithent wrote:
I'm probably one of the few people who still refuses to give up my passive speakers and separate amps.



I only use non-powered speakers + seperate amps and controllers. The only thing the controller has to do in my case is: crossover at either 104Hz (bass reflex subs) or 120 Hz (horn subs), peak limiting and a little EQ for the subs. Regarding the mid/high units (Ohm TRS and BR series) I don't need any EQing.
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