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What PC System will suit my needs best with Presonus Studio Pro?
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I´ve testet the Demo Version on an old System Intel P4, 2.8 and liked it very much. But i think i have to upgrade my System a bit.

I´m planning to use Windows XP 32 Bit + a M-Audio Card.
What i want to do is to use only a few vsti like Addictve Drums or maybe Native Instruments B4 Organ and record several Audio tracks with Vocals, Guitars, Bass. Not more than 10 to 20. I also want to mix and pre master the Songs.

What sytem will be right for my needs?

Is a intel core2 duo with 2.4 or so and 4 MB Ram okay? I dont want to overpower the system but i´m a bit afraid of comming to limits too soon... .
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Ah the great dilemma how far is far enough but not too far.

Have a look at the recommended and minimum system requirements for Studio One Pro from the manual. That should give you a rough idea of what is enough but not too much. I use a quad and 8GB in my personal system and there are times I can't get it to do everything I want.

If you are looking to upgrade make sure you get a system you can grow with as your needs change. Just a thought here is that you can get AMD quad processors for about the same cost as core 2 duos (maybe a little more but I think its worth it). Sounds like you'll need to swap out your motherboard to get more power out of the system. Try to find a board that has an approved TI or VIA firwire chipset in it. If you're like the rest of us after a while the PCI M-audio card won't be enough and you'll want to upgrade. This way you'll have a compatible system no matter which way you go with it.

Take care and good luck

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Spot: A core 2 Duo is a great choice. I'm sure it will do what your wanting to accomplish.

But the Core 2 Duo is an older processor. I would suggest a Intel Core i5 or i7.

I actually have a Core 2 Duo in my studio and I love it. Here are the specs for that:
ASUS P5Q-EM Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo - E8600 Wolfdale 3.33Ghz
8GB Ram
1TB Raid 1 (Mirror) - 2 SAMSUNG F1R RAID-Class HE103UJ 1TB Drives

It has been able to take everything I have thrown at it. I am running Windows XP 32-bit. Its primary use is Ableton Live. I am running 15-30 steams of audio(depending on the song), midi channels(Percussion, clicks, keyboards, and midi triggers via Midi Yoke), DMXIS lights, 2 Native Insturment Guitar Rigs. And it tops the scales at 25% CPU use in Ableton. If I had to build a new studio box it would be the following:

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz
8 GB DDR3
ASUS Sabertooth X58 - Don't forget to get a Video Card, any NVidia or ATI will do.
2 Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB SATA 6.0Gb/s - Raid 1
I would also get the suggest TI Firewire card

Either one will be perfect. Just make sure once you get it up and running check for DPC Latency spikes using DPCLat.exe. This will cause pauses, clicks, and issues with the streaming audio.

As far as Windows 7 is concerned, I have not moved to it. Only thing holding me back is Ableton, it works best on 32-bit. I have tried it on the same hardware using Windows 7 but I like Windows XP better. But if I was creating a Studio One box it would be on Windows 7 64-bit.
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tbcurtis wrote:Spot: A core 2 Duo is a great choice. I'm sure it will do what your wanting to accomplish.

But the Core 2 Duo is an older processor. I would suggest a Intel Core i5 or i7.

I actually have a Core 2 Duo in my studio and I love it. Here are the specs for that:
ASUS P5Q-EM Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo - E8600 Wolfdale 3.33Ghz
8GB Ram
1TB Raid 1 (Mirror) - 2 SAMSUNG F1R RAID-Class HE103UJ 1TB Drives

It has been able to take everything I have thrown at it. I am running Windows XP 32-bit. Its primary use is Ableton Live. I am running 15-30 steams of audio(depending on the song), midi channels(Percussion, clicks, keyboards, and midi triggers via Midi Yoke), DMXIS lights, 2 Native Insturment Guitar Rigs. And it tops the scales at 25% CPU use in Ableton.


Does the 8 GB Ram make sense in XP 32 Bit? I thought XP can only use up to 3,5 GB?
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if you want to stay on XP neither 8GB nor an i7 do make sense. get an AMD phenom quadcore. much better bang for the bucks. try to get maximum l2/l3-cache size. get a gigabyte mainboard (with or without firewire, you can still get a card for that if you really want firewire. personally i find that the rme hdsp9652 combined with presonus converters gives quite good performance.)

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8gb ram is only with 64bits OS... if you don't want to build an 64 bit system you can save money on ram and take only 4gb.

choose carefully your motherboard...its the most important things in your pc...all other stuff depend on it ! whenever you choose phenom, core2duo, quad i7, i5....its your motherboard that manage everything ! go see in some forum of hardware to see if the model you choose don't have somes problems (lot of problematic firmware...lots of complaint about something...etc...) it help choose between products...
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spot wrote:Does the 8 GB Ram make sense in XP 32 Bit? I thought XP can only use up to 3,5 GB?


It was going to be 64-bit system. At the time I was going to use Windows 7 64-bit. I found that XP runs smoother and is more reliable with my VSTs. Once the drivers for 7 mature and Ableton supports 64-bit I will move back to 7.

The max memory a 32-bit system can see is 3GB, 4GB in some motherboard scenarios that support shared memory.

But sooner or later you will want to upgrade to Windows 7 and you'll have to build another system. I still suggest the i7 even when running 32-bit.

As far as motherboard manufactures---I have been in the computer field for a long time and I have seen more Gigabyte, Shuttle, MSI, and Foxconn boards fail before Asus.

You might want to take a look at the hardware compatibility document from Presonus. I believe they had some issues with some on board nVidia nForce chipsets and those are fairly common.
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i prefer smaller company like msi rather a asus (the last asus i (still) have is an A7n8x for amd xp barton)... and msi and gigabyte build some greate motherboards with solid capacitor...i have since 4 year a msi for my core quad (core2duo last year...) and no problem...

today they all have solid capacitor and the quality of motherboard have gratly improved (thanks to amd/intel CPU war...) but you always have some black sheep and bad luck from a board to another...
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I have a p4m80-40 biostar motherboard,,I have a pentium 4 2.40ghz,2.42ghz.1.93 GB of ram.VIA/S3 unichrome pro
integrated video card,and the soundcard that came on the board,I have a band,and was wanting to get prosonus audio pro for it wanted to know if it will work with this program(my biostar motherboard),didn't want to waste the money if it isn't going to work,don't have money to ungrade the motherboard or anything.just want a yes or no,,

If you think driver updates will help,i don't mind to here what they are...

the program comes with the audiobox interface...

will it work...

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it will work. you should disable hyperthreading though. can be done from within studio one. uncheck a core in the audio-options.
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eike wrote:it will work. you should disable hyperthreading though. can be done from within studio one. uncheck a core in the audio-options.




thanks friend my other biostar board was a m7vig 400 and it wouldn't even download the program just the,interface,I went this weekend and got 2 gegs ram so i could get it to work,so thanks for the help because its a 150 dallor program and i want to make sure it will work.

thanks
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ghostman wrote:
thanks friend my other biostar board was a m7vig 400 and it wouldn't even download the program just the,interface,I went this weekend and got 2 gegs ram so i could get it to work,so thanks for the help because its a 150 dallor program and i want to make sure it will work.

thanks


well. you are at the lower end, and shared-mem-gfx will not be best for performance. also onboard-audio (or usb audio, not sure if you want to get s1 artist with the audiobox), will take away performance, too. but it really should still be plenty for just recording and mixing your band. you may need to bounce in-between if you use too much fx. no guarantee though.
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I have a question about soundcards: I´m planning to buy a new desktop computer and start making music with it. I thaugt about getting the Audiobox USB, because it`s bundled with Studio One Artist. Now my question: If I am running my system with the Audiobox, what kind of onboard soundcard would be best? Does the Audiobox work as a soundcard or is it only an interface through which the audio is routed to the onboard soundcard? I think in the first case a quite average souncard would be sufficient, because the audiobox does the job. In the second case it might be better to get a more high-end soundcard... maybe I`m totally wrong. My knowledge of computers is quite poor, so please give me some enlightenment
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Hiya Grunz,

Here's the thing. The sound card built into virtually any computer motherboard is going to be average at best. Their signal to noise ratio is usually unusable for anything a studio would be looking for. The AudioBox, or for that matter any audio interface, is going to be an upgrade to what comes in a computer. Even a consumer grade soundcard (such as turtle beach or creative) will normally be better than onboard sound. Is onboard sound unusable for recording? Not at all. But it isn't a very good option. Is high end consumer grade unusable? Again, not at all but pro grade is just better at it for recording and usually comes with much simpler ways to interface (no adapters and the ability to adjust preamps if they have them)

When the interface is plugged in it has the ability to become your sound card if you decide to let it. If you are on a windows machine there are several options for what audio is going to which set of speakers or from which microphone. If you are using Studio One you can tell it to only work with the external interface and let windows use the onboard sound. Tons of options depending on what works best for you.

If you are picking up an AudioBox you don't need a high end soundcard unless you are trying to listen to surround sound or something of the like. And a pro grade audio interface will usually beat most high end consumer cards...that's why we pay so much for them. But there are a few consumer grade sound cards that do kick serious butt but again you get what you pay for.

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My advice and suggestions should never be considered advice or suggestions. These are mostly insane ramblings of a poor aircraft mechanic who can, strangely enough, still hear.

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Ok, thanks for your answer. I think I will start with an average soundcard and the audiobox. I guess that will be fine for my demands in the beginning ( and for my budget ) . I can upgrade as soon as I`m more experienced and more into the subject of making music. any recommendation for a soundcard for around 150€?

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