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S1 crashes a lot with Mac (Mini 2.3 i7 2012)
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Peevy
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It did crash occasionally with my self built win7 64bit PC before moving to mac, but things are a lot worse with mac. I started a track last night with stems from an ableton live project, saved the new song & set up buses for fx, hit save then BOOM CRASH.

I really like Studio One & want to continue using it but these stability issues are really setting me back a bit.
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I actually have more crashes with S1 on my mac mini than I was expecting or experienced on my Windows 8 machine.

That said I'm sticking with S1 and hope eventually it will get better because the software is just too good
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I've been the victim of massive amounts of crashing on my early 2011 2GHz quad-core MacBook Pro. Crashes upon initially starting Studio One were common. Crashes on exiting Studio One were also common. But the worst stuff was the random crashes during a session. It could be moving an automation point, removing a plugin, something I feel like I wasn't doing much at all. But you'd see the Beach Ball of Death spin and you knew the crash was coming again.

Just a couple days ago, I installed Mountain Lion on a fresh hard drive (before that I was continuing to use Snow Leopard). I'm starting slow as far as adding anything 3rd party. The first day I let Studio One exist on it's own. Just did some testing. Recording a few audio tracks, recording a few MIDI tracks using Impact and Presence.

Then yesterday I began adding some of my Toontrack stuff. Namely EZdrummer and EZkeys. I swapped out Presence and Impact for EZD and EZK and still everything has been ok. But I haven't done any moderately sized sessions yet (though my crashing would often happen on sessions in their infancy).

I'm going to limit this installation as far as 3rd party plugins go. I'm not installing anything I don't need. I use my Toontrack VIs, and I like EZmix, so I'll be installing that stuff. I'll install Melodyne. I may install Valhalla, but that's it. Waves, IK, and other random stuff are getting the boot for now.

One thing I notice with Studio One, is RAM usage seems a little high, and it doesn't release memory like it should. I had a session with only 1 instance of EZdrummer and one instance of EZkeys, and after swapping out the EZkeys instruments a couple times, as well as different EZX's in EZdrummer, my RAM meter said about 30-32% usage. I have 8GB of RAM in my MBP. Seemed a little high for only two VIs, especially VIs that are known for being light on the system. So when i saved, closed, quit S1, then reopened the session, RAM usage was 20-something percent. It dropped 5-10% usage once the RAM was cleared properly. My suspicion is that once your session gets a little larger, with a couple more VIs, and you've swapped presets/instruments within those VIs, maybe Studio One is choking a bit when looking for free RAM. I know from using EZdrummer for years, that when you swap away from one EZX to another, then back again, the original one you loaded loads up very quickly. So the samples are definitely kept in RAM. So it could just be a VI problem (or a feature, I always sort of liked that going back to your previous EZX was a pretty quick load). On a coding level, i don't know if a DAW has the ability to clear the RAM that's held by a plugin or not. Just one thing to consider.

I am going to look into upgrading to 16GB of RAM at some point.

In any case, I'm hoping my plan of upgrading to Mountain Lion and keeping my installation light on 3rd party plugins will improve things. I really do love Studio One. I also use Logic, and if I have to, Pro Tools, but both of them aggravate me for their own reasons. Logic is the most stable, but it's such a big clunky behemoth of a DAW it's painful to use sometimes and stay creative.
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Hi guys! Most crashes can probably be attributed to RAM issues when a clear plugin incompatibility is not known. So if you have more than 4 GB's of RAM please use the 64 bit version so that Studio One can access your RAM. Also on MAC, you have three different types of plugin formats you can use. AU, VST and VST 3. It's recommended to use either AU or VST/VST3 versions but don't mix if possible. VST/VST3 will probably give you better stability and this is what I usually stick with. Plus VST/VST 3 offer expanded features than their AU counterparts.

Studio One will hold on to allocated RAM until you actually close the software. This is good because it makes loading the same samples faster when using VST's even between multiple songs. Maybe good or bad depending on your situation but at least you know how it works.

I use Studio One on a first gen Mac Pro with minimal crashes. That is once in a blue moon. Usually I can identify the source of a crash and just correct it. Sometimes it's an interface, plugin, hard disk permissions, hard disk access, etc. Can be a myriad of causes that can be identified and corrected.

If you get a specific crash that is persistent please send in a support request via the Presonus support page.

http://www.presonus.com/support/Contact-Technical-Support

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DominicB wrote:Hi guys! Most crashes can probably be attributed to RAM issues when a clear plugin incompatibility is not known. So if you have more than 4 GB's of RAM please use the 64 bit version so that Studio One can access your RAM. Also on MAC, you have three different types of plugin formats you can use. AU, VST and VST 3. It's recommended to use either AU or VST/VST3 versions but don't mix if possible. VST/VST3 will probably give you better stability and this is what I usually stick with. Plus VST/VST 3 offer expanded features than their AU counterparts.

Studio One will hold on to allocated RAM until you actually close the software. This is good because it makes loading the same samples faster when using VST's even between multiple songs. Maybe good or bad depending on your situation but at least you know how it works.

I use Studio One on a first gen Mac Pro with minimal crashes. That is once in a blue moon. Usually I can identify the source of a crash and just correct it. Sometimes it's an interface, plugin, hard disk permissions, hard disk access, etc. Can be a myriad of causes that can be identified and corrected.

If you get a specific crash that is persistent please send in a support request via the Presonus support page.

http://www.presonus.com/support/Contact-Technical-Support



I actually was running stable at 32bit on my new Mountain Lion drive, and I switched to 64bit at your suggestion. I had many, many crashes. Crashes when removing plugins, tweaking plugins, doing nothing, shutting down S1. Totally random. Went back to 32bit and things calmed down a lot. No random crashes, other than on shut down. I created a new thread in the forum for my issue, but I wanted to note the 64bit vs 32bit thing in my case.
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S1 instability on Mac, is unacceptable. On Retina MBP its not even at the alpha version stage. The suggested 'solution' to tinker and accept the crashes is unacceptable too. Logic and Reason just works. Presonus, time to get a-coding and release a functional version of the software instead of making excuses. Please take a lesson from Propellerhead in beta testing, elegance and stability.
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To be fair, I believe the vast majority of users are not experiencing serious problems using S1. That is not to discount the nature and extent of problems you may be facing, but it is meant to put things in some perspective.

There are so many variables at play with computer-based recording systems that there is a lot that can go wrong -- even for pros, computer whizzes, and the most cautious among us. At the end of the day you have to decide what works for you. If S1 is not working well for you, if you are frustrated working with it, and you have other alternatives that do work for you, maybe you need to consider working with one of those. With enough time and patience, you may well sort out whatever is plaguing your system. On the other hand, I've seen computer gremlins get the best of the most experienced users (including me) and the most talented tech support diagnosticians -- it just happens sometimes. The operative question then becomes how much time and energy do you want to sink into it before you move on to what works for you.
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The only time Studio 1 version 2.5 crashes on me is when I close it out. It say it shut down un expectedly. It drives me nuts but I live with it. I can tell you I set my sample rate up to 2058 and I never go over 50 percent. I use ez mix and ez drummer plus 3rd party plugins. My last project had 30 tracks and everything runs flawless. Melodyne is a crusher but once you get things pitch corrected then bounce them down and that will help to. I have 8gb of ram and i7 quad core on a macbook pro with lion installed. I did upgrade to a solid state vertex 4 512 gb and that really helped. My huge projects load in a few seconds compared to a minute or too. Also by adding the vertex my mac boots in about 12 to 13 seconds every time instead of 45 seconds so I think if you want better performance solid state is the way to go. Less hang ups and glitches.
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I've been continuing to play around and it really seems pretty solid at 32bit. When I run Studio One in 64bit mode I just can't get very far without crashes.

It's not like my system has some unknown quantity in it. I moved from PC to Mac for stability. Ironic that now I'm considering building another PC. lol.

In any case though, I'm perfectly happy running at 32bit, but figuring out why 64bit is so unstable would be a good thing, for obviously RAM-related reasons.
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