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sjc193
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Hey Bacon Connoiseurs,

It's that time of the year again, time to buy stuff!!! Woo Hoo! I'd like to update/upgrade my light system and I thought I'd take in some of your thoughts before pulling the trigger on anything stupid Keep in mind I have a small, very mobile rig, two 18's, one per side, with just a 3-way speaker on a stick on top of them, simple yet effective. (see sig for details) That's what I need out of my lights too. Currently, for the last 4-5 years, I've been using these little Chauvet wash lights on a tripod setup, one on each side of the stage, each unit has 8 50-watt halogen lights that are about 2-3 inches in diameter and they each have a little color gel on them. They do a good job of lighting up the stage and it's easy to just set them up and plug them in, you can imagine being halogen they are bright!

But, I'm ready to step it up a little, I would like to be able to control the LED colors and do some cool things to add to the atmosphere, but at the same time I don't want to double the amount of work I do (Very Important!) I need to keep it simple, bang for the buck so to speak, not just in cost but in work to set up/tear down. Remember, I'm not doing sound and lights for Poison here, although I am doing sound for Robert Mason (Warrant) and Stacey Blades (LA Guns) acoustic duo at the end of this month So the 80's are alive and well in my town!

I have a budget of about 1000-1500, and I'd like to start a system that can be built apon, can be connected to my computer in the future maybe, then maybe I could control them from my iPad, I've already got StudioLive Remote, VirtualDJ, and SplashTop, let's keep going with it! There's nothing better than having complete wireless control over everything! But, I really know nothing about lights whatsoever so even links to information would be great.

To give you an idea of what I'm thinking, I've been looking at getting 2 Chauvet 4Bar systems and then attaching a Chauvet 4Play to each of those light stands. Make sense? They say they have DMX, so can I eventually connect something like that to my computer? and then my iPad?

Thanks for any help offered!

Steve
StudioLive 16.4.2 in 10U + slant top OSP case
rackmount Windows 8 PC Quad core 8G ram
ASUS RT-N66U Dual Band Router
Ipad2 Wifi Griffin Survivor Case
Studio One 2.5 Pro
2 Turbosound TMS-1's (Mains)
2 OHM MR450D Subs with Kilomax 18inch drivers
2 Yamaha S115V's (for floor monitors),2 Yamaha BR 15's (for floor monitors)
3 Behringer 12" floor monitors
3 Behringer EP2500 amps, 1 QSC Amp
1 DBX Driverack 260
1 DBX 231S Graphic Eq
10 58/57 mics, 1 beta52 kick mic, 20 mic stands
2 e609 guitar amp mics
2 Radial J48 Active DI's
2 Blizzard Puck FAB 5 led lights
1 DMXIS usb to dmx controller
1 Temor 1 Alto 1 Soprano 1 Clarinet
1 Sheraton semi hollowbody electric
1 pedalboard with lots of pedals favorites are javaboost into tube screamer
1 Fender Deluxe Amp
2 Acoustic guitars, 1 elec bass, 1 acoustic bass, 1 bazooki
3 mixers and lots of other stuff I don't use in the closet
1 beer holder that clamps to the side of my mic stand with my stage name printed on it "Swingin' Steve"
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Here's a quick write up I did on another board.

Food for thought.

I debated quite a bit when I moved into LED lighting.

The first plan was to buy a dozen Slimpar 64's and that would be a good starting point. They were roughly $100/fixture plus shipping. A cheap entry into DMX.



But the more I seen this style of light in person, the more I began to dislike the "lite-brite" look of the fixtures. When use use blue red or green on their own, the respective LED's light up and it looks a bit like a pinwheel.

Colors like purple, would have the red and blue lit up. White has them all lit up. While the light coming off is white, the actual face of the fixture, has what I again call the "lite-brite" look. On video they look fine. The fixture looks all white. But it doesn't appear that way in real life.

Looking more, I started to like the multi-LED fixture. They have a set of lenses, and behind each lens is a red, green, and blue LED they can also be RGBW (red, green, blue, white), RGBA (red, green, blue, white, amber), or RGBAW (red, green, blue, white, amber) as well. The nice thing about this, is when you choose purple, the lenses themselves light up purple, instead of the red and blue.

(This fixture is a Blizzard Fab5 RGBAW)


Now if we are going to nitpick, you can kinda see the red and blue if you really look, but that's if you are splitting hairs. The different fixtures have different patterns for the lenses. Some are a star pattern, some are a 9 lend 3x3 block etc.

Some examples of the different patterns:






I looked at the different lens configurations, and decided on the Blizzard 3NX fixture for my back truss. I liked the layout of the lenses, which are basically in a round pattern. They are only an RGB fixture, but for rear truss lighting, I wasn't real concerned.



They've worked out well. I picked up 4 of the Blizzard Fab5's to light the band and the additional amber and white LED's make a noticeable difference. When I bought my 3NX's the Fab5's weren't out and commonplace yet, and I couldn't afford to wait. If I were to do it again, I think I would go with Fab5's across the board. Another thing, both the 3NX & the Fab5 have a protective piece of plexiglass(?) covering the lenses. Some of the other ones don't. I thing you can tell in the "different lens pattern" pics.

I'm really happy with them. For small "non-light rig" gigs, I attaché a single Fab5 to each FOH stack and aim them at the band. This is a video of one Fab5 per side set to sound, to show you how much light they put out.

If I have to choose just a couple fixtures, lighting the band is more important than any rear lighting.

Here's that video.

http://youtu.be/7U3IuGeCELE

Keeping your eyes on eBay, I picked up four Fab5's for $160 a piece + shipping, a "used a couple times" kinda thing. The 3NX I believe I paid $1200 for 8, shipping included, which works out to $150/fixture.

Hope this helps. These are on the lower end as stated, a little more than the slimpars, they are metal enclosures instead of plastic like the Slimpars. These days I'm more of a buy once cry once kinda guy. I realized if I went with the slimpars I know I'd want to move up from them. The 3NX's and Fab5's really didn't end up being much more in the end, and a much better look. For my market they are a good fit. I'm not going to be lighting up Madison Square Garden anytime soon.





Here's a package of eight 3NX's put 6 on the truss and 2 to light the band.


Look at this on eBay:

Blizzard Lighting Puck 3NX Package ( Pro DJ Equipment. Brand New!!!!

http://bit.ly/14K4mz9

You should be able to pick up a 10' truss setup for $150ish


Look at this on eBay:

NEW PRO AUDIO DJ PORTABLE LIGHT LIGHTING FIXTURE T BAR STANDS 10FT TRUSS PACKAGE

http://bit.ly/10D6pzN


Then a simple controller:

Look at this on eBay:

Chauvet Obey 40 DMX lighting controller

http://bit.ly/10D6Aet


Budda boom budda bing. A great starter set to build on.


Buy a couple Fab5's later on for better front lighting and have 8 - 3NX's on the truss. Then you can get into the more fun stuff, like scanners etc.

I'm selling all these lights for a grand but I might have someone interested, not really looking to ship.


http://youtu.be/MrBCgQ5lzcU

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sjc193
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Awesome, Thanks!

I was just looking at the Blizzard Pucks as I read they are much brighter than the Bar4 lights I was looking at. Blizzard seems to be the "site to watch" when it comes to lighting, from the brief reading I've done
StudioLive 16.4.2 in 10U + slant top OSP case
rackmount Windows 8 PC Quad core 8G ram
ASUS RT-N66U Dual Band Router
Ipad2 Wifi Griffin Survivor Case
Studio One 2.5 Pro
2 Turbosound TMS-1's (Mains)
2 OHM MR450D Subs with Kilomax 18inch drivers
2 Yamaha S115V's (for floor monitors),2 Yamaha BR 15's (for floor monitors)
3 Behringer 12" floor monitors
3 Behringer EP2500 amps, 1 QSC Amp
1 DBX Driverack 260
1 DBX 231S Graphic Eq
10 58/57 mics, 1 beta52 kick mic, 20 mic stands
2 e609 guitar amp mics
2 Radial J48 Active DI's
2 Blizzard Puck FAB 5 led lights
1 DMXIS usb to dmx controller
1 Temor 1 Alto 1 Soprano 1 Clarinet
1 Sheraton semi hollowbody electric
1 pedalboard with lots of pedals favorites are javaboost into tube screamer
1 Fender Deluxe Amp
2 Acoustic guitars, 1 elec bass, 1 acoustic bass, 1 bazooki
3 mixers and lots of other stuff I don't use in the closet
1 beer holder that clamps to the side of my mic stand with my stage name printed on it "Swingin' Steve"
robare99
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Here's some 3NX's on my "real" light rig. They are hella bright!

Its kind of a rundown of DMXIS. Without fog the 3NX's are the main focus. There's 8 on the truss...

http://youtu.be/1gCeoiItfhU

The nice thing is that you shouldn't have to upgrade from the 3NX's for wash lights. If you get those 4bar or whatever with the 4 wash heads, you'll probably want to get something brighter as an upgrade soon enough. Buying that eBay package is a pretty good price and then like you said, you have a real foundation to build upon.

The 3NX's are an RGB fixture but I like them and what they do. Fab5's for the front is a definite upgrade. It's nice to have the amber and white for lighting the band, so you'll probably want a pair of those soon enough.

The obey40 will get you going. I'm using DMXIS on my Mac mini for control and it has iPad and iPhone control as well.

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sjc193
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robare99 wrote:The obey40 will get you going. I'm using DMXIS on my Mac mini for control and it has iPad and iPhone control as well.


NICE!!!!


No ebay at work, but I'll check this stuff out at home this weekend
StudioLive 16.4.2 in 10U + slant top OSP case
rackmount Windows 8 PC Quad core 8G ram
ASUS RT-N66U Dual Band Router
Ipad2 Wifi Griffin Survivor Case
Studio One 2.5 Pro
2 Turbosound TMS-1's (Mains)
2 OHM MR450D Subs with Kilomax 18inch drivers
2 Yamaha S115V's (for floor monitors),2 Yamaha BR 15's (for floor monitors)
3 Behringer 12" floor monitors
3 Behringer EP2500 amps, 1 QSC Amp
1 DBX Driverack 260
1 DBX 231S Graphic Eq
10 58/57 mics, 1 beta52 kick mic, 20 mic stands
2 e609 guitar amp mics
2 Radial J48 Active DI's
2 Blizzard Puck FAB 5 led lights
1 DMXIS usb to dmx controller
1 Temor 1 Alto 1 Soprano 1 Clarinet
1 Sheraton semi hollowbody electric
1 pedalboard with lots of pedals favorites are javaboost into tube screamer
1 Fender Deluxe Amp
2 Acoustic guitars, 1 elec bass, 1 acoustic bass, 1 bazooki
3 mixers and lots of other stuff I don't use in the closet
1 beer holder that clamps to the side of my mic stand with my stage name printed on it "Swingin' Steve"
robare99
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I changed the video in that last reply. Now you can see the Blizzard Puck 3NX's basically by themselves.


DMXIS is around $250 on eBay. The oscillators and whatnot make it easy to do chase effects. To be honest I didn't really get too far with the Obey70 I bought.
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Wow! You have some sick S&!%!
StudioLive 16.4.2 in 10U + slant top OSP case
rackmount Windows 8 PC Quad core 8G ram
ASUS RT-N66U Dual Band Router
Ipad2 Wifi Griffin Survivor Case
Studio One 2.5 Pro
2 Turbosound TMS-1's (Mains)
2 OHM MR450D Subs with Kilomax 18inch drivers
2 Yamaha S115V's (for floor monitors),2 Yamaha BR 15's (for floor monitors)
3 Behringer 12" floor monitors
3 Behringer EP2500 amps, 1 QSC Amp
1 DBX Driverack 260
1 DBX 231S Graphic Eq
10 58/57 mics, 1 beta52 kick mic, 20 mic stands
2 e609 guitar amp mics
2 Radial J48 Active DI's
2 Blizzard Puck FAB 5 led lights
1 DMXIS usb to dmx controller
1 Temor 1 Alto 1 Soprano 1 Clarinet
1 Sheraton semi hollowbody electric
1 pedalboard with lots of pedals favorites are javaboost into tube screamer
1 Fender Deluxe Amp
2 Acoustic guitars, 1 elec bass, 1 acoustic bass, 1 bazooki
3 mixers and lots of other stuff I don't use in the closet
1 beer holder that clamps to the side of my mic stand with my stage name printed on it "Swingin' Steve"
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Thanks. I just got into LED lighting last year. My stuff was ancient. It served me well since the 90's but it was time. As I explained in the response I looked around quit a bit. Those slimpars just didn't and wouldn't cut it.

Now that I have the 3NX's and the fab5's the rest is icing on the cake. Love the MiniMacs, I have 8 total. I got the intimidators originally to add some movement. Same with the pinspots. I'm selling those to help fund 4 Chauvet Spot Duos which will give me 8 moving heads to replace the pinspots. The pinspots only move on one axis. You set the tilt and then it moves side to side. You can still do quite a bit. The new ones are full on moving heads with smaller tight beams similar to the pinspots but with colors and gobos.

http://youtu.be/F3wlZhsANnE

It's all an evolution. I figure I'm in it for around 10k now. Probably 12ish when I get the spot duos and 4 more fab 5's. but then I'm good and pretty much finished. The nice thing about being a legit business is that its all written off (depreciated over x number of years)

basically if I don't spend the money I make I'll just be taxed on it anyway!


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Robare - what's the throw of the 3NXs and the fab5s?
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That I don't know. I'm about as far away as it gets from being a lampie.

http://www.blizzardlighting.com/index.php/the-puck-fab5

http://www.blizzardlighting.com/index.php/puck3nx
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So, here's what I'm thinking currently. Just to start off with a foundation for lighting and keeping the amount of work I do at a gig minimal for now. I'd like to get 2 FAB5 lights and attach them to each speaker pole (between the sub and main), this will do basically the same thing that my halogen lights do right now which is light the band up, only a LOT better, because they look like they are really frickin bright, but they also look like they have dimmers built in so when I get the whiny musician I can turn them down. I'd also like to get the software and a usb-dmx converter so I can control these two lights from my iPad during the show. So then I'll start off with a couple nice wash lights and complete software control of them, that seems like a good starting point to me. Then when I have some extra money I can buy another light or two here and there and just keep adding to it over time.

So, if I buy the list below, will that do what I'm thinking it will do or is there more to it. (I have zero experience with DMX)

2 PUCK-FAB-5 RGBAW lights 2X$242 = $484
VenueMagic VMCL21-SO Classic Software (1 Universe) $349 (is this the DMXIS software you refer to and does it work with Windows?)
VenueMagic VM-USBDMX-01 USB to DMX Dongle $99

Also, I keep reading about wireless DMX, what's that all about?
StudioLive 16.4.2 in 10U + slant top OSP case
rackmount Windows 8 PC Quad core 8G ram
ASUS RT-N66U Dual Band Router
Ipad2 Wifi Griffin Survivor Case
Studio One 2.5 Pro
2 Turbosound TMS-1's (Mains)
2 OHM MR450D Subs with Kilomax 18inch drivers
2 Yamaha S115V's (for floor monitors),2 Yamaha BR 15's (for floor monitors)
3 Behringer 12" floor monitors
3 Behringer EP2500 amps, 1 QSC Amp
1 DBX Driverack 260
1 DBX 231S Graphic Eq
10 58/57 mics, 1 beta52 kick mic, 20 mic stands
2 e609 guitar amp mics
2 Radial J48 Active DI's
2 Blizzard Puck FAB 5 led lights
1 DMXIS usb to dmx controller
1 Temor 1 Alto 1 Soprano 1 Clarinet
1 Sheraton semi hollowbody electric
1 pedalboard with lots of pedals favorites are javaboost into tube screamer
1 Fender Deluxe Amp
2 Acoustic guitars, 1 elec bass, 1 acoustic bass, 1 bazooki
3 mixers and lots of other stuff I don't use in the closet
1 beer holder that clamps to the side of my mic stand with my stage name printed on it "Swingin' Steve"
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I'm just about to eat. Here's DMXIS on eBay. It includes the dongle for $250...


Look at this on eBay:

ENTTEC DMXIS USB DMX 512 Ch MAC OS & PC Interface & Software 70570 - USA Seller

http://bit.ly/Zdt7gq
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Ahhhh, I just noticed DMXIS and VenueMagic are not the same thing (but maybe similar)

I'll keep reading, I just found the real DMXIS website
StudioLive 16.4.2 in 10U + slant top OSP case
rackmount Windows 8 PC Quad core 8G ram
ASUS RT-N66U Dual Band Router
Ipad2 Wifi Griffin Survivor Case
Studio One 2.5 Pro
2 Turbosound TMS-1's (Mains)
2 OHM MR450D Subs with Kilomax 18inch drivers
2 Yamaha S115V's (for floor monitors),2 Yamaha BR 15's (for floor monitors)
3 Behringer 12" floor monitors
3 Behringer EP2500 amps, 1 QSC Amp
1 DBX Driverack 260
1 DBX 231S Graphic Eq
10 58/57 mics, 1 beta52 kick mic, 20 mic stands
2 e609 guitar amp mics
2 Radial J48 Active DI's
2 Blizzard Puck FAB 5 led lights
1 DMXIS usb to dmx controller
1 Temor 1 Alto 1 Soprano 1 Clarinet
1 Sheraton semi hollowbody electric
1 pedalboard with lots of pedals favorites are javaboost into tube screamer
1 Fender Deluxe Amp
2 Acoustic guitars, 1 elec bass, 1 acoustic bass, 1 bazooki
3 mixers and lots of other stuff I don't use in the closet
1 beer holder that clamps to the side of my mic stand with my stage name printed on it "Swingin' Steve"
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OK so let's redo this list here:

2 PUCK-FAB-5 RGBAW lights 2X$242 = $484
DMXIS (software and usb interface for 512 single universe) $290 full price at ENTTEC website

that leaves quite a few bucks left in the budget for some more things, but I think I'd like to just get familiar with this very small system first and then decide what I want next. The moving lights through the smoke is just really cool looking, but it also seems like quite a bit of setup work and cost to get started.

I guess the real question here is can I go with DMXIS without ever needing the Obey 70 and any kind of hardware controller like that cause I don't really want a hardware interface, I've been using VSL too long

StudioLive 16.4.2 in 10U + slant top OSP case
rackmount Windows 8 PC Quad core 8G ram
ASUS RT-N66U Dual Band Router
Ipad2 Wifi Griffin Survivor Case
Studio One 2.5 Pro
2 Turbosound TMS-1's (Mains)
2 OHM MR450D Subs with Kilomax 18inch drivers
2 Yamaha S115V's (for floor monitors),2 Yamaha BR 15's (for floor monitors)
3 Behringer 12" floor monitors
3 Behringer EP2500 amps, 1 QSC Amp
1 DBX Driverack 260
1 DBX 231S Graphic Eq
10 58/57 mics, 1 beta52 kick mic, 20 mic stands
2 e609 guitar amp mics
2 Radial J48 Active DI's
2 Blizzard Puck FAB 5 led lights
1 DMXIS usb to dmx controller
1 Temor 1 Alto 1 Soprano 1 Clarinet
1 Sheraton semi hollowbody electric
1 pedalboard with lots of pedals favorites are javaboost into tube screamer
1 Fender Deluxe Amp
2 Acoustic guitars, 1 elec bass, 1 acoustic bass, 1 bazooki
3 mixers and lots of other stuff I don't use in the closet
1 beer holder that clamps to the side of my mic stand with my stage name printed on it "Swingin' Steve"
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Definitely skip the obey70 if you can. I found it frustrating. The Oscillators on DMXIS make it easy to do different washes and color changes without switching scene to scene.

One per side will light things up pretty good. I set up the touch OSC app to control everything. It's not too hard to to.
 
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