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Kiwicomposer
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I would like to see the Tempo track allow freehand drawing of the Tempo to allow a more Rubato style of music.

Many singers sing with a more Rubato (Free style) singing style to give emotion or to stress specific phrase etc. rarely (actually probably never) do they suddenly drop a tempo from one speed to another in the matter of a specific bar. Many instrumentalists musicians do the same. Now I realise for some forms of music say electronica or house or whatever the strict rhythmic beat is important and part of the style but that is only some musical styles others are more free and a strict tempo can hinder the emotional content and performance.

I would love to be able to alter the tempo freely (free hand) so as to add back the emotion of the music or to follow the freer style of a solo singer.

Right now the only way is to either drop a tempo bar by bar (Not really ideal) or add strange time signatures into the music mid sing to emulate the Rubato singing, again not ideal.

Please look a the option of Freehand drawing..

You have the feature (tool) available for so many of the otter features already so I would assume adding it to Tempo is not going to be impossible or even necessarily difficult.

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I too would like freehand and / or Tool support for more fine/gradual tempo editing. Great post!
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Yeah. I'm working on a song right now that's rubato (didn't know it was called that). And I was just thinking "man, I'd like to be able to just alter the tempo as I went along. Slow it here, back to the beat there." And there was your post asking for just that.
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I would love to be able to alter the tempo freely (free hand) so as to add back the emotion of the music or to follow the freer style of a solo singer.


This is called tempo mapping. See my tutorial videos to see how.

Please look a the option of Freehand drawing..


You do know that you can free hand draw tempo changes with the pencil tool?

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Try this. Set your grid quantise to 32nd notes or higher.Inn the tempo track hold down the Alt key, now with the pencil tool you can draw in your tempo changes.
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Daw stew wrote:Try this. Set your grid quantise to 32nd notes or higher.Inn the tempo track hold down the Alt key, now with the pencil tool you can draw in your tempo changes.


That almost works for what the OP wants, but it's still not quite the same as Freehand drawing.
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Kiwicomposer wrote: I would love to be able to alter the tempo freely (free hand) so as to add back the emotion of the music or to follow the freer style of a solo singer.


Hi Kiwicomposer. I'd be all for drawing the tempo in to alter tempo but I'm curious as to how you would follow the tempo of a singer or instrument by drawing tempo change? If tempo varies so much as in rubato, wouldn’t you just then not apply any regulated tempo? (Or if you did wish to track the actual variances in tempo (or hits), take jpettit's advice by using tempo mapping? Tempo mapping will allow syncing to the varied change if you're looking for that. If you didn't need to sync and understandably just draw tempo variations, then agreed freehand drawing would be a bit easier and creative. You’ll be changing tempo, but I don’t believe you’ll be following much. Just overriding it. Still a creative touch though!

I get the emotion part, as I also like to get away from the regulations that a steady tempo imposes on some of my tracks. Btw, the [Alt] + Draw that Daw Stew mentioned works pretty well, However, at thirty second shifts there is some slight audio jaggies where the changes don't vary smoothly. I checked this with a song at 104 bpm with just a few clean audio tracks of classical guitar parts for a song I'm working on. Sixteenths translate much smoother and the human ear is not going to detect those changes unless the tempo was extremely slow like on the order of below 40 bpm. All in all it's very easy to draw this way, so apart from seeing large steps, it actually works pretty well. With sixteenths, there was not a glitch in the audio at all. For drawing, it also helps to pull the tempo window open a great deal to move around more freely, which I'm sure you already do.

Some DAW's have what you’re asking for, so while it's not on my wish list, I'm casting a as the line tool, and pen tools are already there. Hey, why not.
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I agree, and also the ability to automate it, within specific parameters for camculated tempo changes.

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Yeah this has been a bummer for me. I know it's still a fairly new DAW. I hope they add this feature in the next update.

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Daw stew wrote:Try this. Set your grid quantise to 32nd notes or higher.Inn the tempo track hold down the Alt key, now with the pencil tool you can draw in your tempo changes.


Yep that works.. Done that.. but the accuracy is not that good both in length of steps and making sure that you start and stop at the right place.. And it is hard to get accurate changes..
Plus if you have a situation where you want a specific change over specific beats to a calculated period etc, .so everything is specific, then this is not gonna work well..

Whereas a line that is able to be changed (Bezier curve style etc), like you can in automation tracks. would be so much easier and more accurate or more easily adjusted too suit the music needs..

Just my personal opinion
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