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Hope I'm in the correct forum.

Real newbee stuff there.
I'm a songwriter and will use this product to get my ideas/music into my computer. Pretty basic stuff...maybe a guitar or keyboard + mic at the most. Not a whole band. I'm a right-brained guy stuck in a left-brained (technology) part of the world here...so have patience.

Pretty convinced I want to purchase the Firestudio Mobile, but some basic lingering concerns. A little education would really be appreciated as well.

1) currently using W/Vista 32. Any known issues?

2) when I update to V7 next year or so, any known issues?

3) Any known issues w/PGMusic's Band-in-a-Box software?

4) It appears that the front panel has two inputs. One for mic + instrument. But it's not an input that a standard guitar plug would fit into. Am I missing something? What kind of inputs are those? Will I need an adapter for guitar?

5) MIDI can be plugged directly into this unit?

6) connections: It appears that there are two types of Firewire inputs? One that looks similar in size an shape to a USB input on my desktop and another, considerably smaller one on my laptop which is square w/a little dimple on the top side. If these are both Firewire, will I be able to use this model? Can you explain the difference?

Looking forward to your replies before I purchase....
thanks in advance


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rstock wrote:Hope I'm in the correct forum.

Yes you are. If you weren't the nice folks here would either redirect you or probably still help you out.

Real newbee stuff there.
I'm a songwriter and will use this product to get my ideas/music into my computer. Pretty basic stuff...maybe a guitar or keyboard + mic at the most. Not a whole band. I'm a right-brained guy stuck in a left-brained (technology) part of the world here...so have patience.

Pretty convinced I want to purchase the Firestudio Mobile, but some basic lingering concerns. A little education would really be appreciated as well.

1) currently using W/Vista 32. Any known issues?

The software and hardware are cross platform compatible. It will work with Vista 32.
Known issues...there are hardware related issues involving firewire chipset compatibility mostly. Check the manual and have a look around the forum a bit to make sure your machine will work. Also check your laptop very well to make sure there are no other issues. If you want to post your exact model number (from the bottom of the machine) here someone might look it up for you. But there are no guarantees this with laptops that aren't purpose built for audio work.


2) when I update to V7 next year or so, any known issues?

Same as above.

3) Any known issues w/PGMusic's Band-in-a-Box software?

Couldn't answer this. I don't have knowledge of the software in question. Try in the Studio One threads. Some one there might have a better answer for you.

4) It appears that the front panel has two inputs. One for mic + instrument. But it's not an input that a standard guitar plug would fit into. Am I missing something? What kind of inputs are those? Will I need an adapter for guitar?

You really aren't missing anything. Those are Neutrik combo jacks. They will accept XLR/TRS/TS connectors. Guitar are TS typically. You may need some type of pad from say a DI box but you should be fine if you're careful with your gain.

5) MIDI can be plugged directly into this unit?

The breakout cable that comes with it has your MIDI connections on it. So yes.

6) connections: It appears that there are two types of Firewire inputs? One that looks similar in size an shape to a USB input on my desktop and another, considerably smaller one on my laptop which is square w/a little dimple on the top side. If these are both Firewire, will I be able to use this model? Can you explain the difference?

The firewire 400 inputs come in basically two types. 4 pin and 6 pin. The notebook has a 4 pin and the FSM has a 6 pin. The box should have a cable in it to get you connected. If not you can get one just about anywhere electronics are sold.

Looking forward to your replies before I purchase....
thanks in advance

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Thanks so much for your time. Appreciate your answers; just need a little clarification if you don't mind.

re
#1:
I'll check w/my desktop mfg re the chipset so there are no surprises. The laptop is a Lenovo T-61 and a couple of years old. I'll see if I can find out about that, too. Would contacting Tech Support at Lenovo be enough? Do I need to know the name of the chipset and then contact PreSonus or tell Lenovo about the FSM? Which way do I go?


re
#4:

Yes, guitar is TS, but I don't see how that would physically fit. The Neutrik is a different shape. Is there an adapter I'll need? The specs state that a guitar can plug into inputs 1 and 2 in the front. How is this possible. Are they not saying that a DI box will be necessary? Is this what you mean: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live-Wire-Solutions-SPDI-Passive-Direct-Box-with-Attenuation-Pad?sku=150449
Also, aren't there TS inputs in the back of the unit?

re
#6:
so you're saying that I'd need a (possibly supplied) cable w/a 6pin for the unit and 4pin for the laptop? What's missing in those 2 pins? Power? If so, then I'd always have to use the AC block when at the laptop but not necessary when using the 6 pin?

Anything else you think I should know before diving in?

thanks again
Richard


rstock wrote:
Hope I'm in the correct forum.

Yes you are. If you weren't the nice folks here would either redirect you or probably still help you out.

Real newbee stuff there.
I'm a songwriter and will use this product to get my ideas/music into my computer. Pretty basic stuff...maybe a guitar or keyboard + mic at the most. Not a whole band. I'm a right-brained guy stuck in a left-brained (technology) part of the world here...so have patience.

Pretty convinced I want to purchase the Firestudio Mobile, but some basic lingering concerns. A little education would really be appreciated as well.

1) currently using W/Vista 32. Any known issues?

The software and hardware are cross platform compatible. It will work with Vista 32.
Known issues...there are hardware related issues involving firewire chipset compatibility mostly. Check the manual and have a look around the forum a bit to make sure your machine will work. Also check your laptop very well to make sure there are no other issues. If you want to post your exact model number (from the bottom of the machine) here someone might look it up for you. But there are no guarantees this with laptops that aren't purpose built for audio work.

2) when I update to V7 next year or so, any known issues?

Same as above.

3) Any known issues w/PGMusic's Band-in-a-Box software?

Couldn't answer this. I don't have knowledge of the software in question. Try in the Studio One threads. Some one there might have a better answer for you.

4) It appears that the front panel has two inputs. One for mic + instrument. But it's not an input that a standard guitar plug would fit into. Am I missing something? What kind of inputs are those? Will I need an adapter for guitar?

You really aren't missing anything. Those are Neutrik combo jacks. They will accept XLR/TRS/TS connectors. Guitar are TS typically. You may need some type of pad from say a DI box but you should be fine if you're careful with your gain.

5) MIDI can be plugged directly into this unit?

The breakout cable that comes with it has your MIDI connections on it. So yes.

6) connections: It appears that there are two types of Firewire inputs? One that looks similar in size an shape to a USB input on my desktop and another, considerably smaller one on my laptop which is square w/a little dimple on the top side. If these are both Firewire, will I be able to use this model? Can you explain the difference?

The firewire 400 inputs come in basically two types. 4 pin and 6 pin. The notebook has a 4 pin and the FSM has a 6 pin. The box should have a cable in it to get you connected. If not you can get one just about anywhere electronics are sold.

Looking forward to your replies before I purchase....
thanks in advance [u]

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PS: Do PreSonus folks view these forums so that some of the replies come from the "company" as well?

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Yes they do. (Quite frequently, as a matter of fact. I'm sure they don't have time to get involved in every conversation here, but they do keep an eye on what is going on here, and don't be surprised to see any one of several PreSonus staff posting regularly. I think the accessibility and interest of their people is one of the reasons this is such a great forum!)
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#4 Don't be fooled by the appearance of the inputs on the front of the unit -- they may look like regular XLR mic connections, but as Mono says, they are really "combo" connectors. Depending on the pix you've been seeing, detail may not be good enough for you to see that in the center of the XLR there is a hole for inserting a TRS or TS jack. You won't need a DI box to connect your guitar directly. If you plug into any kind of guitar box that has a line level out, you can plug that into one of the line-ins on the rear panel.

#1 Your biggest concern will be your computer hardware's compatibility. The good thing is you are buying hardware that any reputable dealer will take back on return or exchange if you are unable to get things going on your laptop. I've heard good things about the Lenovos, but it still seems like kind of a crap-shoot (on PCs) as to whether things will work. Just make sure that the minute you get it you start working on thoroughly testing your system for reliability before whatever return window you have closes. You may or may not be able to get any good info out of Lenovo regarding what critical chipsets are in your box. Scour the forum and you'll find recommendations on what works.

#6 Not sure if the 4 pin FW connection supplies power, but my guess is that it doesn't and you will need to use the wall-wart. Sometimes there can be issues with grounding/noise that are either created (or solved) by the use of the external power supply. Probably one of those things that you won't know for sure until you get your hands on one and try it out for yourself.

The FSM is a very solid unit, which I think would suit your needs nicely now, and give you a little room to grow in the future, too.
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rstock wrote:

Thanks so much for your time. Appreciate your answers; just need a little clarification if you don't mind.

re
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I'll check w/my desktop mfg re the chipset so there are no surprises. The laptop is a Lenovo T-61 and a couple of years old. I'll see if I can find out about that, too. Would contacting Tech Support at Lenovo be enough? Do I need to know the name of the chipset and then contact PreSonus or tell Lenovo about the FSM? Which way do I go?

The full model number is helpful. There are probably at least 30 different versions of the T-61. You can also download the TC Technologies OHCI tester. This will help you identify if your firewire chipset is compatible. You can find it here https://dev.tctechnologies.tc/tcat/tags/release/public/latest/binary/tools/ohcitool/win32/release/

Post back on here exactly what it says when you run it.

If you're lucky it will have one of these chipsets http://www.presonus.com/media/pdf/hardware_compatibility.pdf but some others will work.


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Yes, guitar is TS, but I don't see how that would physically fit. The Neutrik is a different shape. Is there an adapter I'll need? The specs state that a guitar can plug into inputs 1 and 2 in the front. How is this possible. Are they not saying that a DI box will be necessary? Is this what you mean: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live-Wire-Solutions-SPDI-Passive-Direct-Box-with-Attenuation-Pad?sku=150449
Also, aren't there TS inputs in the back of the unit?

The front connector is designed to accept both xlr and 1/4" (TRS and TS) connectors. Your cables will plug in right in the center just fine. The problem may come in that the signal from your guitar pickup is too hot for the preamps which is where a DI would come into play. Try it first, but I will bet you'll need a DI. Most have a PAD switch or button on them to knock the signal level down at least 6 db before it is given to the preamp.

And that one should be just fine. I'm not sure if the FSM has a phantom power capability. If it does then you can get either a passive or active DI. If not then you need a Passive DI. It will tell you in the specs of the DI.

The connectors on the back are TRS but will accept a TS just fine. The box is just easier to use from the front as you'll likely be plugging and unplugging a lot.


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so you're saying that I'd need a (possibly supplied) cable w/a 6pin for the unit and 4pin for the laptop? What's missing in those 2 pins? Power? If so, then I'd always have to use the AC block when at the laptop but not necessary when using the 6 pin?

Yeah, It's power. Wall wart will be required for your case.

Anything else you think I should know before diving in?

Don't jump before we can make sure your laptop will do the job. Otherwise you'll have a lot of heartache trying to get it straight and even then it may not work. So lets make sure you can use it before you spend any hard earned.

thanks again
Richard
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[color=cyan][color=orange]Thanks, Talmen, you're a gem!

Yes, I was DEFINATELY fooled by the photos of the unit...never saw a round input for a TS jack....just last night I saw a PreSonus video on YouTube and showed someone plugging a guitar into the input #1 and I felt pretty foolish. But you're the only one who caught why I was so confused.


Good advice on trying it out on the laptop before wasting too much time. I'll try Lenovo and/or search for stuff like "PreSonus chipset compatibility", etc and see what I come up with. I know this may be a silly question, but if it's NOT compatible how will I know? Will the software not run? Will the unit not be recognized? And is it possible for it to be compatible in some areas and not in others? I'll be attacking this new hobby a little at a time, so with limited knowledge it will be difficult to really "run it thru its paces".
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I'll let you know what I find out because you've been so helpful. If you think of anything else, fine to send me a PM or this forum.

When I start recording my first hits, I'll send you an MP3!
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#4 Don't be fooled by the appearance of the inputs on the front of the unit -- they may look like regular XLR mic connections, but as Mono says, they are really "combo" connectors. Depending on the pix you've been seeing, detail may not be good enough for you to see that in the center of the XLR there is a hole for inserting a TRS or TS jack. You won't need a DI box to connect your guitar directly. If you plug into any kind of guitar box that has a line level out, you can plug that into one of the line-ins on the rear panel.

#1 Your biggest concern will be your computer hardware's compatibility. The good thing is you are buying hardware that any reputable dealer will take back on return or exchange if you are unable to get things going on your laptop. I've heard good things about the Lenovos, but it still seems like kind of a crap-shoot (on PCs) as to whether things will work. Just make sure that the minute you get it you start working on thoroughly testing your system for reliability before whatever return window you have closes. You may or may not be able to get any good info out of Lenovo regarding what critical chipsets are in your box. Scour the forum and you'll find recommendations on what works.

#6 Not sure if the 4 pin FW connection supplies power, but my guess is that it doesn't and you will need to use the wall-wart. Sometimes there can be issues with grounding/noise that are either created (or solved) by the use of the external power supply. Probably one of those things that you won't know for sure until you get your hands on one and try it out for yourself.

The FSM is a very solid unit, which I think would suit your needs nicely now, and give you a little room to grow in the future, too.

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Mono, you're a gem, too. Thanks for your time.


I'll try the OHCI tester program and see what happens. My desktop mfg said I had an Intel P35 chipset, but data from this program doesn't even refer to a P35 but gives me more info so that could be important.
I'll move it over to the laptop as well and see what I can find out there. (When I have data from both, I'll post back to you -- may be a few days).


WAIT, WAIT, hold the presses! I just ran that little program and got chipset VT6307/6308. Then checked the pdf you sent and it lists the VT6308 as tested and approved! YES!!!. You're a genius. Now on to the Lenovo.


Thanks for the DI education. I'll definately keep this in mind.
Yes, there's phantom power.


Your last sentence was really thoughtful. Thanks for taking and interest. Between you and Talmen, I have a nice team. Anyone else is welcomed but it's nice to know there are nice folks out there.

I'll post when I get the Lenovo info.
thx
Richard


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I'll check w/my desktop mfg re the chipset so there are no surprises. The laptop is a Lenovo T-61 and a couple of years old. I'll see if I can find out about that, too. Would contacting Tech Support at Lenovo be enough? Do I need to know the name of the chipset and then contact PreSonus or tell Lenovo about the FSM? Which way do I go?

The full model number is helpful. There are probably at least 30 different versions of the T-61. You can also download the TC Technologies OHCI tester. This will help you identify if your firewire chipset is compatible. You can find it here https://dev.tctechnologies.tc/tcat/tags/release/pu.../tools/ohcitool/win32/release/

Post back on here exactly what it says when you run it.

If you're lucky it will have one of these chipsets http://www.presonus.com/media/pdf/hardware_compatibility.pdf but some others will work.

re
#4:

Yes, guitar is TS, but I don't see how that would physically fit. The Neutrik is a different shape. Is there an adapter I'll need? The specs state that a guitar can plug into inputs 1 and 2 in the front. How is this possible. Are they not saying that a DI box will be necessary? Is this what you mean: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live-...ith-Attenuation-Pad?sku=150449
Also, aren't there TS inputs in the back of the unit?

The front connector is designed to accept both xlr and 1/4" (TRS and TS) connectors. Your cables will plug in right in the center just fine. The problem may come in that the signal from your guitar pickup is too hot for the preamps which is where a DI would come into play. Try it first, but I will bet you'll need a DI. Most have a PAD switch or button on them to knock the signal level down at least 6 db before it is given to the preamp.

And that one should be just fine. I'm not sure if the FSM has a phantom power capability. If it does then you can get either a passive or active DI. If not then you need a Passive DI. It will tell you in the specs of the DI.

The connectors on the back are TRS but will accept a TS just fine. The box is just easier to use from the front as you'll likely be plugging and unplugging a lot.

re
#6:
so you're saying that I'd need a (possibly supplied) cable w/a 6pin for the unit and 4pin for the laptop? What's missing in those 2 pins? Power? If so, then I'd always have to use the AC block when at the laptop but not necessary when using the 6 pin?

Yeah, It's power. Wall wart will be required for your case.

Anything else you think I should know before diving in?

Don't jump before we can make sure your laptop will do the job. Otherwise you'll have a lot of heartache trying to get it straight and even then it may not work. So lets make sure you can use it before you spend any hard earned.

thanks again
Richard



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CHIPSET UPDATE FOR LENOVO LAPTOP:
That little program gave me this:

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista 32-bit Service Pack 2 [6.0.6002]
Microsoft ohci1394.sys [6.0.6002.18005]
Microsoft 1394bus.sys [6.0.6001.18000]

Looking for OHCI 1394 Host Controllers...
1:
Vendor : (1180) Ricoh
Chipset: (0832) R5C832
Revision: 04
Max 1394 Speed Capability: S400
Support: Not compatible.

Notes : This controller is not compatible with DICE drivers.



But, this chipset is not listed in the PDF you sent. So where else would go other than PreSonus to find out if this is compatible the unit?? Maybe a PreSonus employee will read this and be able to look it up?
It seems a little unfair that I can't ask a PreSonus IT person this question until I've purchased and registered the product first.
And do I care about the "DICE drivers" note?


thx
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You do need to be concerned about Dice II compatibility, because that is precisely what the PreSonus gear is based on (and most other current generation popular/affordable interfaces, these days).

You may be out of luck... or not -- I can't say, not being a PC expert -- there are many gurus here who will be glad to assist you, though.

I do know that the chipset in the FW card (or built-in FW on your laptop) is one issue, and is very important, but that the other issue is the host controller chip, in this case it looks like you may have one that could be a bit of a struggle to get running smoothly (if you can get it to work acceptably at all). From what I've gleaned on the forum, it is the host controller chipset that is causing the lions share of problems for PC people of late, and it seems there is not an easy way to find out what host controller chip is being used inside the box before you buy it.

Seems to me like you folks on PCs really have to deal with a myriad of challenging hardware/software configuration and compatibility issues. I know there are companies that make good, solid PC audio machines out there, but I don't know if any of that custom stuff is available in a laptop configuration. Sadly, these days it seems like you need to work awfully hard (and be a little lucky) to find something "off-the-shelf" in a PC laptop that will work really well for audio.

Don't know if you've ever considered a MacBook Pro, but I can highly recommend them for audio, if you ever do.

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Hmmm...thanks, something to think about.
Maybe there are some PC mavens who can help out although I can't imagine that anyone would know I need the help now that these comments are buried down deep in our conversation. Do you think I can copy and paste your comments into a more appropriate forum and target it to PC folks?

Might it be possible to buy a compatible FW card and install it into my laptop? Again, maybe that's a PC question.
When I bought the thing it was for business w/no idea that I was heading in this direction.

I'll just wait to see how you respond to the above comments and see if Mono has any input.

thanks again....
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One more last minute question--and, at this point, I think valid:

Is this potential and probable DICE II compatibility a PreSonus thing and I might just have to get around it by turning to a different product? Or is DICE II common and will be necessary in any audio interface of this caliber?

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I was kind of afraid you'd have a Ricoh in your system.

Here's where the problem lies.

The DICE chipset that is manufactured by TC Applied Technologies is the chip that is used in all of Presonus' firestudio based gear. It either does not play nicely or does not play at all with Ricoh firewire controller chipsets. To further add to the problem there's a 99 percent chance Ricoh is also the manufacturer of your PCI Express bus controller as it is much less expensive to build one multi-use chip into a board than two single use chips (for the use of firewire and PCI express bus). Normally, they are controlled off of one chip and there are rare few instances of anything else.
Where this poses a problem is that your only other possible option is to use a firewire card in your expresscard slot. But the Ricoh chipset is controlling that as well. Now there have been a few people who have been able to make it work but not a lot.

Basically saying, you might be able to put one of the suggested expresscards from the PDF I linked and get it to work. But I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

What will happen when you plug in? There are several things that can happen. You may not connect at all. You may connect and constantly drop connection. You may connect and never be able to get latency under control. You may connect and your DAW software may keep dropping out. And last but certainly not least, you may connect and be just fine (wouldn't count on it)

There are many other audio interface manufacturers facing this same problem. I know that it is quite prevalent on the M-Audio, Rane, and Native instruments forums. Which means it isn't specifically the fault of the DICE chipset as they all use different chipsets in their equipment. I can't at the moment recommend an interface that will function properly with a Ricoh controller as no one has compiled this information anywhere that I can find. And due to the expense of all those interfaces, I don't think anyone will.

Talmen has a good suggestion in a Macbook. They just work but can get expensive. I'm a PC guy and I'm looking for one.

Options in no particular order:
1. Drop a recommended firewire card in the slot. You may get lucky.
2. Mac.
3. Custom recording PC from Rain Recording, ADK, et al. They work right out of the box and ADK makes notebooks.
4. Roll your own. I built mine. Its not that tough and can save you a bundle plus a desktop build is less costly to repair than a notebook in most cases. Try Gigabyte and ASUS for proven motherboards and go from there.
5. Pick up random interfaces and see if they work.
6. USB interface. There are several on the market. Presonus Audiobox USB for excellent example. Will get you enough ins and outs to get you in the door at up to 48 khz, you get Studio One with it, and you have an upgrade path for later.
7. Use the desktop you already have. It'll be kind of a pain to move around (I know, mine's a 50 lb rackmount and 19" monitor in a 40 lb rack case) but if it has the horsepower then it has a proven firewire connection and would get the job done til you can pick a mobile solution.

Hope that helps.

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The DICE II chipset is the basis for all the PreSonus interfaces, M-Audio, Alesis, TC Electronic (of course), Mackie, A & H, Phonic, and many others. You won't find a lot of gear out there that doesn't use DICE II until you get into some higher-end gear such as Metric Halo, RME, etc. I'm sure it is just too costly to develop chips, and DICE II is so powerful, pretty much everyone has adopted it.

Unfortunately, it seems no matter how good the drivers are there are still significant issues computers not being supplied with hardware that makes us audio folk happy. As we don't make up a significant enough share of computer buyers, manufacturers don't care too much about giving us what we need.

If someone was going to start fresh, I'd tell them to figure out what hardware and software they wanted to use, and then go out and find a computer that will do it. I think it is a huge mistake for people to just go out and buy a computer, then hope later that it will be compatible with the software and gear they want. Computers are not easy to return, other gear is, and it is a big/expensive decision that you just don't want to get wrong.

Stuff changes so much all of the time, too. I encourage people who get a good working system going to keep it as it is -- try to avoid the temptation of doing anything that would compromise the systems integrity. For example, if everything is stable, do you really need that new OS just because it has one or two new neat features, or are you inviting trouble if you upgrade?

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