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adessmith
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Just curious if anyone out there knows of any software similar to capture, but will handle video recording also?

We are bouning some ideas around for new sound and video recording equipment.
We are looking at a Roland VR-3 for video, and replacing our console with a SL board, and maybe a mac-mini or something for recording.
This is all hypothetical, because there are no funds there. Our pastor has asked me to put together a list of equipment and prices to replace our dying console, and improve our recording situation. Just a "this is what it would take to do it right", proposal.

We want a "one click" recording solution which would be easy on our volunteers, but would also give us a multi-track recording (with Video).
I would then mix the service later, for distribution on the internet. We have a "hacked together" solution for now which involves taking a camcorder's video feed, and audio from our board, straight to a DVD recorder. It "works" but it is less than ideal. I bring the DVD home, rip it, and add it to our podcast.

The Roland VR-3 actually just sends a USB stream out, and is treated like any other capture device in windows or OSX.
I was thinking something like sony vegas, but I think it would be overly complicated for our volunteers to run.
I wonder if we could create a new empty project, with all the tracks created and assigned to the proper inputs and armed, then save it as sort of a "template". Each week, all they would have to do is open the project file and hit record, stop it at the end and "save as", to an external HDD for me to carry home to mix and upload.
Palaios
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How about this: http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/fi/products/atemtelevisionstudio/

Cameras can be normal household ones and record on whaterver media they record aslog thre is HDMI outputs + get output stream recorded on computer, lots of editing material available

Audio can be run from fw input to stream & record and run live to net with Adobe Flash encoder
http://www.adobe.com/fi/products/flash-media-encoder.html

Black Magic is not cheap but easy to run according the manual

I´m waiting for to get my hands on demo unit within ...

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adessmith
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Maybe I am confused, but this doesnt look like it actually does recording at all. It doesnt mention any storage media or file format.

You may have misunderstood my original inquiry.
I was suggesting that the Roland VR-3 would be our Video source, and the SL 16.4.2 would be our audio source, but I needed software that would record that video stream and the audio streams at the same time.

The blackmagic device looks like a legitimate alternative to the VR-3, however, much more expensive and overboard for our needs.

But either way, be it the blackmagic device or the VR-3, What software would you use to record the video from it along with the multi-channel firewire out from the SL board?

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adessmith
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Going back and reading, I guess this thing WILL do recording via the included software, but it's still not what I am after.
Looks like it will record a stereo track into the h.264 encoded file.
I want to record multi-channel audio to mix down later, and do the encoding after I have had time to tweak the mix and make sure everything is perfect.

Thats the biggest problem with the DVD method we have now. It has a simple stereo track, and if anything was wrong I cant do anything to fix it after the fact.

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Palaios
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that DVD is the big issue. It kinda ties You to limits of the format itself

Something hd-based would be better. Timecode based anyhow. Pricey gear though.

I once did service DVD by just with single camera and recorded audio to CD. Then at home used Final Cut & S1 for polishing prior releasing.

It was as crude as 1 camera and busy guy running audio can produce but it was more like for having fileable copy.
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We use one of the Aux's to send an audio mix into our iMac mic. jack. We are recording video to BoinxTV and set OSX preferences to use the built-in line input as the audio feed. After the service we simply drop the video file into our DVD burning software, rename the title, and hit 'burn'.

The audio sounds great for the purpose of getting folks the church service. Obviously if your purpose was a professional recording you'd go to much greater lengths... but this is a church service. We are not trying to sell a musical performance DVD.

We use a couple of mics pointed at the congregation for the audio recording mix, and unassign them from the mains. It gives the worship band a sense of the live performance... Otherwise it sounds like studio sound which would be wiered when the video is obviously a live performance. MUTE those mics during the sermon!!!
We have to listen to the Aux mix periodically to adjust for changing dynamics (I.e. When lead singer changes between songs, etc) and adjust the mix accordingly just as you will to adjust the House mix. That is easy to forget when you are mixing FOH and adjusting the camera, etc.
We find we have to monitor the levels going into the computer when there is a change from the worship band and the sermon.
We also publish the sermon to our website so we record the sermon using a third piece do software (SoundDesign, but there are better tools). I can do some rudimentary post adjusting (Normalize, change overall level, fade in/out), so this is not the tool to use if you intend to do any serious post production. But is works well if, like us, you don't need or want that.

We are doing all of this on single 2011 vintage iMac without any latency issues. I only use Capture software during Worship Team practice so I can play with FAT channel settings after the fact if I want to. You might run into latency issues if you use Capture during the service too.

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The reality is, most churches don't really have the demand for what a few tech or pastor staff people want. I have worked for several mega churches as director of media ministries, audio engineer, radio/tv producer, etc. The reality is, doing multitrack mixes for video requires more equipment and time than most churches can throw at it. Even some large churches will hire in a company to handle those Christmas, Easter and Crisis services so the church staff can stay on course with their daily ministry tasks.

If you want to do this right, you are going to need a splitter (digital or analog), broadcast mixer, FOH mixer, MON mixer, and let someone in a room dedicated for broadcast mixing handle the recording and mixing. If you want to mix in real time, put this mix position with the video switcher, graphics, etc. That mixer will do a live mix to the video recorder. You are going to need some audio/video sync, because the latency through the digital audio console and digital video gear is going to be drastically different. If you don't do this, you are going to have to capture your content, import it into your editor, line it all up, edit, mix, etc. Time is valuable. How do you want to work?

Blackmagic Designs is an interface that relies on your computer. Their stuff is good. Since you are looking at the Roland, I am assuming the budget is tight. Roland makes some good solutions for the money and they don't require another dedicated computer. This is a plus. You don't have to worry about an OS or software upgrade making your software unusable. Roland is cheap. To be on a pro level, you are talking buy a house kind of money. You would be looking at an Avid video and ProTools system. This would allow you to multi-track your video and audio. Again, you could pay your pastor for one year and buy him a nice house for that kind of money. So, I would get a demo and see if you can live with what the Roland does first.


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