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cmebane
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I asked many questions here since 8/1 on for returning to live sound/recording at a hobby level. Thanks to all who helped! Here is an update and and few more questions.

o decided the venture was a "go"
o so far have received or ordered

macbook pro 15 (big change for me but MANY folks STRONGLY recommended)
Lexicon MX400
M-Audio Mobile Pre (for SMAART)
Denon D2000 phones
misc supporting gear and racks

o planned or considering

SL 24.4.2
Gator console case (lightweight model)
Gator 4 space rack
UPS (ADC or Tripplite)
second FX processor
SMAART 7
Littlelite console light with dimmer

1. I've read here about issues with the PS in the SL24. Has the factory resolved these? How common are the issues?
2. Any comments or suggestions on the planned gear?
3. Any other suggestions?

Spending money is darned addicting as is getting new toys every few days!

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Monolithent
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Welcome back

As far as your questions. The power supply issues are very limited and if there is a problem the Presonus folks will get it fixed for you. So far I have never heard of any hardware and very few software issues that have not been fixed.

If you are looking at Gator (unless you're looking at the wood cases) for a 4 space might I recommend the SKB RollX cases. Same/better/similar build quality with a nice pair of wheels and telescoping handle at a similar cost.

I assume you're not going to use any of the onboard FX. What are you considering for the other FX unit?

For the UPS make sure you get one that has instant power (I forget what type it is at the moment) but there are some that have a few ms delay before kicking in which could cause havoc in the event of a power loss.

What are you planning to use to tailor sound after fft. DriveRack, Ashly? Depending on your speakers a DR260 shold get things right where you need them.

Sounds like the fear purchases are coming along nicely.
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No I'm not a freaking pilot!! The Air Force won't let me have a suit with a zipper...or sometimes shoestrings.

My advice and suggestions should never be considered advice or suggestions. These are mostly insane ramblings of a poor aircraft mechanic who can, strangely enough, still hear.

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cmebane
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Monolithent wrote:Welcome back

>>> Thanks much. I have been reading all along.

As far as your questions. The power supply issues are very limited and if there is a problem the Presonus folks will get it fixed for you. So far I have never heard of any hardware and very few software issues that have not been fixed.

>>> Good to know. I really like the SL design. It fits MY needs better than the Yam LS9 and is way less expensive. It appears to be a true dual purpose console which is EXACTLY what I need (or at least want)

If you are looking at Gator (unless you're looking at the wood cases) for a 4 space might I recommend the SKB RollX cases. Same/better/similar build quality with a nice pair of wheels and telescoping handle at a similar cost.

>>> I'll give it a look. I don't need "road worthy" but I do want everything to be portable and light so I can haul to rehearsals and to my recording buddy's house. In the pro days we had all Anvil and custom cases. Very expensive back then since there were few builders.

I assume you're not going to use any of the onboard FX. What are you considering for the other FX unit?

>>> I will give it a listen but I REALLY prefer to have outboard FX for serveral reasons including returning to a channel. I am also a huge Lex fan. In the days I had a 200, PCM 41, and PCM 42 (4.5 s). I am amazed to see the 41s and 42 selling for so much on eBay.
Still debating on the other unit. Leaning toward a used Lex of sorts but open to suggestions. the TC units are popular on PSW boards.


For the UPS make sure you get one that has instant power (I forget what type it is at the moment) but there are some that have a few ms delay before kicking in which could cause havoc in the event of a power loss.

>>> Will do. read the discussion here several times.

What are you planning to use to tailor sound after fft. DriveRack, Ashly? Depending on your speakers a DR260 shold get things right where you need them.

>>> I am just investing in FOH mix and recording gear. For live shows we will use either house or contracted facing, mics, etc. If I was to by a unit it would likely be a DBX DriveRack.

Sounds like the fear purchases are coming along nicely.


>>> Oh, I am STILL a pro at spending money. Drives my better half crazy (25 years this week). The good news is that funds for this venture are in the bank and will not affect the budget.

All suggestions welcome!
BTW: I will likely sell my SA-3051 RTA when I get SMAART if anyone is looking for a good, used RTA. I bought it from eBay last Fall.
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On the power supply issue: I have strong suspicions that one contributing factor (at least in some cases) when people have had FW interrupt issues is the poor AC mains power in some venues. You get a lot of lighting, refrigerators, neon lights going, throw in old/questionable wiring, overloaded circuits, possibly operationally significant voltage sags/spikes/noise -- you get the picture -- next thing you know your somewhat more finicky computer/computer-based audio gear is giving you grief. I'm glad to see you're including a UPS in your planning. Make sure you get one that offers line voltage regulation.
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cmebane
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Oh yeah. Back in my touring days we had power issues at times. I can recall several time explaining to managers of large clubs that their voltage was low. I have also seen brownouts caused by lack of current capability. At least once we had to reduce out lights to maintain enough voltage for the system to run. We carried 60K of lighting. Quite a bit for a regional band in the early 80s.

I finally bought a panel voltage meter and install in one of my FOH racks. That way I could see the voltage and if it dropped under load. Not too longer after some companies made units to handle this but there were not any that I knew of in 82.
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Hey Boys,
We're playing our first 'official' gig tonight (wedding reception for the daughter of a good friend of mine) and all this talk about bad power sources has me worried.

All I have on hand is a APC backup UPS 'ES 550' that I had running with a computer workstation. The output ratings are listed at 120V, 60Hz, 330W(550VA), 4.6A.

I have no idea if this would be any help at all. If I exclude the powered speakers and subs, all I've got for gear is the SL 16 and my MacBook Pro, so the load would be very light at that end. Any suggestions to give me some piece of mind?
Thanks,
BJD
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With that one you're fine as far as capacity goes, and it will give you protection against an interruption in power. I don't think that model offers line voltage regulation, though, and in the long run, if you are going to be in clubs a lot, I'd strongly recommend getting something that has that feature.
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A & H Qu-16, AB1818VSL, Alesis IO14 / IO26,
PreSonus S1 v2.6.2.25990, Boom Recorder 8.3.2

Studio Kit:
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OS 10.9.3,
M-Audio FW1814, PreSonus Faderport,
PreSonus S1 Pro 2.6.2.25590
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Hey Joe,

For tonight swing by your local music store and grab a power conditioner. Plug the UPS into that. The combination will get you through the night without worry. The only other option I could think for you is to find a computer store that carries what you're looking for.

Good luck tonight...everything will be fine...you won't have a problem.

Gimme a call if you have any last minute questions.
http://support.presonus.com

Tallest guy in the Mod Squad with all his hair still on his head.

No I'm not a freaking pilot!! The Air Force won't let me have a suit with a zipper...or sometimes shoestrings.

My advice and suggestions should never be considered advice or suggestions. These are mostly insane ramblings of a poor aircraft mechanic who can, strangely enough, still hear.

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The UPS unit you have likely has as good of power conditioning as any cheap unit you'd pick up today to add on, so I don't know that I'd bother with that. All you typically get with most "line conditioners" is a bunch of outlets with pretty standard EMI/RF suppression and surge protection, but NOT typically any line voltage regulation that would protect against a voltage sag -- and that is where the biggest potential problem lies (outside of someone tripping on a cord or a very short but complete loss of power). Dont be fooled by fancy LED voltage readouts on the front panel of most line conditioners -- it doesn't mean that you are necessarily getting any voltage regulation. Read the specs carefully on anything you buy first.
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Probably true.

I use the big 20 amp furman and monster units. Definitely a noticeable difference. Meant the suggestion mostly to see if he could find a rackmount or other UPS somewhere before the night begins.

Sorry for the confusion.
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No I'm not a freaking pilot!! The Air Force won't let me have a suit with a zipper...or sometimes shoestrings.

My advice and suggestions should never be considered advice or suggestions. These are mostly insane ramblings of a poor aircraft mechanic who can, strangely enough, still hear.

StudioLive 16.4.2, AudioBox 1818VSL, AudioBox 44VSL, Faderport, Digimax FS,, M-Audio Firewire 410
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Most of the bigger units from Furman and Monster do have regulation. I have the Furman AR-1215, which I think is their smallest, cheapest unit they offer that has line voltage regulation, and I think it was about $600 when I bought it. You can get UPSs from APC or TrippLite that offers regulation, noise filtering, surge protection and is true sine wave for significantly less money, though -- go figure!
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Monolithent wrote:Hey Joe,

For tonight swing by your local music store and grab a power conditioner. Plug the UPS into that. The combination will get you through the night without worry. The only other option I could think for you is to find a computer store that carries what you're looking for.

Good luck tonight...everything will be fine...you won't have a problem.

Gimme a call if you have any last minute questions.


Man, thanks Mono. Too late now, but if I'd a thought, I'd been ringin' your bell!

Got the kinks ironed out and the gig went great thanks to the SL and those slick little QSC K10's. Coupled with my pair of Mackie subs it sounded superb.

Thanks,
BJD
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http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtModelID=3053&txtSeriesID=744

http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtModelID=2948&txtSeriesID=745 (this is an on-line UPS, which as 0 switching time as it is always running on the battery).

Check Provantage.com for pricing on Tripp stuff.

http://www.padrick.net/TP_Audio.htm
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Both of those are excellent units.
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talmen wrote:Both of those are excellent units.

OK Talmen,
You've got me sweatin' bullets thinkin' about playing a gig and the SL crashes because of poor power. I can see myself up there with that 'deer in the headlights' look as people start to throw bottles and shout obscenities.

I just ordered the Tripplite Smart 750RM1U. $309 bucks on Provantage.com.

Thanks man,
I'll sleep better now.
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