3rd party Plugins vs S1 Native Plugins video series......

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themuzic wrote:I can only state my opinion on this. Stripping silence should only be done in large gaps. Not the tiny spaces in between riffs or performances. It is only to remove un-needed noise or to keep the DAW computer from processing empty spots in an event.

Over thinking it isn't a good idea either.

So to answer your question hibidy, yes. It's a known thing if you are removing spaces between every note. My advice is not to do that. This is why I stated in the videos that I never use the automatic strip silence tool.

I agree with this, up to a point.

I do use the tool a lot to clean tracks, but selectively. Like Muzic says above, not so much on tracks where there are tiny gaps but on tracks where there are larger gaps of silence and (of course) never on real drum tracks where the low level bleed is part of the signal.

P.S. I should add that you can actually tweak the settings to have it skip over small gaps while cleaning larger gaps, but it's a little hit and miss because you can't see what will be affected before you run it. It would be nice to have some user created presets there for some of those varying situations.

On the bright side it's way faster - the processing - in 64-bit S1 than in 32-bit S1, like probably 8+ times faster.

themuzic wrote:

hibidy wrote:This probably doesn't come across right be I have to ask...

The way I record is a "dry" track and use amp sims for bass and guitar. What I've noticed is that it's not a good idea to strip silence in this scenario. It starts to sound choppy and funky EVEN IF there is no perceived part going on.

Is this a known thing? I'm having a hard time understanding why dead space makes a diff.

I can only state my opinion on this. Stripping silence should only be done in large gaps. Not the tiny spaces in between riffs or performances. It is only to remove un-needed noise or to keep the DAW computer from processing empty spots in an event.

Over thinking it isn't a good idea either.

So to answer your question hibidy, yes. It's a known thing if you are removing spaces between every note. My advice is not to do that. This is why I stated in the videos that I never use the automatic strip silence tool.

thanks again!

He is not Using a lot of cpu Power because he is using a uad card

moraldecay31 wrote:He is not Using a lot of cpu Power because he is using a uad card

You definitely didn't understand than. He uses like 3 UAD plug ins and 100 ''native'' Slate digital vst's which directly work only from your pc cpu.

Hahah I do understand just watched it super late last night and got mixed up Thinking about it today

I guess also that with it being all audio and probably using a lower latency setting that cuts down on the CPU use.

Just finished all videos. Very nice. Looking forward to the rest of them...

mwright137 wrote:Just finished all videos. Very nice. Looking forward to the rest of them...

Well, if you finished all of them, there is no "rest of them". The only thing coming later will be a mastering video.

Then why did he keep referencing a "next song" in which you guys will switch and he'll go step-by-step and you'll do the summary?

mwright137 wrote:Then why did he keep referencing a "next song" in which you guys will switch and he'll go step-by-step and you'll do the summary?

Oh, I see what you're referring to. That will be a separate series for that song.

I finally had a chance to listen to the two songs. They are both very good. I listened to each twice, and I prefer the ones withth=the third party plugs. It sounds a bit more lush and warm. But if I didn't have the A/B comparison to make, I'd be happy listening to either.

I doubt I'll ever have the time to watch all the videos. Could a list of the plugs used for each song be provided?

Johnny 2 really quick questions:
in video 7, at 7:51 you use a limiter in main out post.

1) Why not in insert?

2) Why just dont lower all tracks volume?

Thank you for answering!

andreaxpresonus wrote:Johnny 2 really quick questions:
in video 7, at 7:51 you use a limiter in main out post.

1) Why not in insert?

2) Why just dont lower all tracks volume?

Thank you for answering!

Great questions:

1) Because more the total signal is caught "After" the fader. Putting the limiter on the insert, if I raise the main out fader, clipping will occure again. Post, no matter where I put the main out fader, clipping is caught by the limiter.

2) Having the limiter on the post allows you to push the overall song volume without clipping, giving you better output file volume. There's a video on the way about mastering this song and I'll be able to explain it better then.

Thanx for the question and watching the videos.

Bump for these great videos.

Thanks !

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My impression on both tracks with my fantastic english.

Different aporroach to the mix. Like johnny said in 1st post its kinda impossible to say wich is better, actually there are different ideas that helps me a lot to learn something new.

To me, jonny's mix is more pop, acoustic, soft, wich I really like. A very good balance among different intruments and voice, and I really enjoied the pan of some track. Maybe I would have preferred the backgroud vocals and the synth lower in volume.

David's mix is "a little bit" more compressed, more pop-rock if I can say it. Voice over instruments with the right amount of effects, something that I like, but in this case, I prefer johnny's interpretation of this song.

I totally agree with last words that johnny says in last video about presonus and 3rd party plugin. I like the way he avoid to say the word better about 3rd party plug in, actually they are just different.
Presonus plugin are less customizable, but after these video I think that they're enough to work with music making high quality mixes.

Thank you David and Johnny for your help. Now we really need that mastering tutorials!