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And I handle all the booking for the band free of charge. Because I book a local venue's gigs and handle bookings for my sound company, it is easier for me to know when my band is/is not available and my pa is/is not available.
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This shouldn't be as big of a deal as some are making it sound. I run in-ear and floor monitors (up to 4 each) with the MOTU 828mk3 internal mixers with the CueMix app. I still need to take my analog EQ rack with me because CueMix doesn't support plugins yet. Just ring out the floor monitors as you would have with analog systems (and yes, graphic EQs are required for monitors). Feedback is then never an issue unless you're blasting vocals at 118db or more on stage. If your band wants that - quit. With the singers using in-ears now, monitors are a non-issue. I save the presets in Cuemix and maybe get 1 or 2 small requests every show (for my regular bands).
As far as certain people liking or disliking in-ears, I've found...
Singers - 99% love em (same for singers that also play instruments)
Guitarists - 99% hate em (many before even trying them - they just know...)
bassists - 40% love em
keyboards - 80% love em
drummers - 50%

so... Throw some floor monitors up and ring them out (ring anything out of the mains while you're at it). Throw some vox in the wedges at a nice full volume (to you). Bring the band on stage. Get the singers happy with in-ears. Put the instruments in their ears at about 30% the vox for a starting position. Give the drummer some overheads in his ears. Now you're just going to get a few requests from everyone and you're in.
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Cool set up Serr. I thought about going with the 828mk3 as my stage 'board' too. A real toss up for me but I guess the bright lights of the SL won me over! ... but your rig is much lighter and more compact!
I think your IEM advice is spot on. I sometimes think about going back to them but for now we only carry two Mackie 350s for monitors so just not worth it ... yet!
BTW, good news from my guitarist. He got his ears drained and a tube put in one of them. He says he can hear better than he has in 20 years. Do you think he'll turn his amp down now !! I'll find out Friday!
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MichaelAlanDawson wrote:
Big Joe Daddy wrote:Occasionally I'm told I can be tough to work with because I'm persistent and driven. I just like to get things right and I'll work hard to do so. Not everyone shares my work ethic, and that's OK. I think I've resigned myself to the idea that if I want to get a top-notch PA system together, I'll have to do the work myself and not depend on the other musicians in any way.


Sorry to be so long-winded, but I needed to vent. I can put up with lots of shit, but it won't be for free. Most of the people have quit this band because I expected them to put some effort into it. Call me a hard-ass or a dick, but I'm not wasting my time to be associated with musicians that don't practice their parts or get too drunk to remember how to even play. I don't have time for that rock star crap. I am tough, but I am also fair.

The gist of my story: You ain't getting it for free, anymore, baby!


You go Mike! It's interesting to know I'm not alone. Most of the guys I've played with have no idea when it comes to the time and money invested in the PA. The thing that chaffed my hide was how I can't even get some help setting it all up. I shouldn't say no help at all, but the help they did provide was limited at best. I'm over it now though. A few of the seasoned veterans on this site encouraged me to just suck it up and be glad the guys show up and play. Anything more than that is a bonus. So I'm spending my time on making my rig as easy to set up as possible. After all, I'll be the one setting it all up!
Hang in there Mike. After all, it's all for the love of playing music.
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Good to see you're back Joe.

Hope the vacation went well.
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Monolithent wrote:Good to see you're back Joe.

Hope the vacation went well.


Hey Jon,
It was more of an adventure than a vacation. 8 adults and 10 kids made it exciting. Part of the time we were in a little town called Yelapa which is about a 45 minute boat ride from Puerto Vallarta. It looks like a scene out of 'Castaway'. Jungle, waterfalls, beaches. Accessible only by boat. No roads, no cars, and in my case......no internet. That's why I've been quiet on the forum until now. Plenty of hot tacos, cold Coronas, and ladies selling coconut pies on the beach. It's good to be home as things get revved up again. I love Mexico and have often pondered the possibility of packing it in and heading South of the Border, living under the radar. But then I start to think about all the stuff I'd miss....like electricity 24 hours a day, playing in the band and jacking with the StudioLive . I'm back and ready to dig in again!
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After reading through this thread, it's reassuring to see that I'm still on the right track.

BTW Jon, how's the little guy? Still keeping you up at all hours of the night?
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Well, our drummer quit, last night, because he didn't agree to taking an extra share to offset the cost of the lights and sound equipment. He literally thought he could get the same pay for doing half the work.

We played my 25th class reunion. At the end, when I told him we were taking a cut off gigs to pay for lights and PA, he created a scene in front of my classmates. That was very unprofessional and embarrassing.

Unfortunately, we were given three bookings, yesterday, and now I have to scramble to find a replacement drummer in two weeks.

I'm glad he's gone because of all of his issues and my noticeable hearing loss because he could/would not control his dynamics.
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Big Joe,

Sounds like a lot of fun. Glad ya didn't drink the water. Little man's doin good. Still the best alarm clock I've ever had. Can't seem to get enough food in him anymore. And he's growing like a little weed. Loves being outside. Wish it wasn't raining today we'd be out there now.

Michael,

You did the right thing. If you're anywhere near Jersey I have a few names of drummers looking for more work who are very good.
There's no sense in you and yours going hungry, so to speak, in the name of the band just so one person can have things his way. The guy with the PA system is almost always the guy spending the most money keeping things running. I've got many thousands invested in my PA system and it isn't even state of the art gear (except my beloved SL). I'm almost constantly spending money on it. In the last month I've dropped over $500 and that's a slow month for me. Plans for next month will probably top $1k. Too many musicians don't understand the expense involved. I'm not saying there are none that do but jus that there are too many that don't. You'll find a new drummer and most likely a better one. Keep the faith.
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Monolithent wrote:Michael,

You did the right thing. If you're anywhere near Jersey I have a few names of drummers looking for more work who are very good.
There's no sense in you and yours going hungry, so to speak, in the name of the band just so one person can have things his way. The guy with the PA system is almost always the guy spending the most money keeping things running. I've got many thousands invested in my PA system and it isn't even state of the art gear (except my beloved SL). I'm almost constantly spending money on it. In the last month I've dropped over $500 and that's a slow month for me. Plans for next month will probably top $1k. Too many musicians don't understand the expense involved. I'm not saying there are none that do but jus that there are too many that don't. You'll find a new drummer and most likely a better one. Keep the faith.


Thanks for the offer, but we are in Southern Indiana.

After he cooled down, he sent an email, like we expected, stating that if we take an extra cut, then he is entitled to partial ownership. He's dreaming. So, if I rent a PA from a sound reinforcement company, then I have partial ownership of their equipment? Rent = Pay, use, return.

If we didn't have the PA and lights, he would be paying more than $20 to rent that same equipment.

He has chosen to throw away a guaranteed $320 (for four gigs) because of $20.

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MichaelAlanDawson wrote:Well, our drummer quit, last night, because he didn't agree to taking an extra share to offset the cost of the lights and sound equipment. He literally thought he could get the same pay for doing half the work.

We played my 25th class reunion. At the end, when I told him we were taking a cut off gigs to pay for lights and PA, he created a scene in front of my classmates. That was very unprofessional and embarrassing.

Unfortunately, we were given three bookings, yesterday, and now I have to scramble to find a replacement drummer in two weeks.

I'm glad he's gone because of all of his issues and my noticeable hearing loss because he could/would not control his dynamics.


Hey Mike,
After our drummer bailed out, I put my thinking cap on for replacements. Within a couple days and a few phone calls, I had a pick of three different drummers. You won't have any trouble finding a replacement. Find the right guy, with the right character and chemistry, and you'll quickly forget about 'ol' what's his name.' It kills me that there are so many guys out there that have this delusion that they're a rock star just waiting to be discovered. I just want to tell them "Man..... get over it already. Let's just play some music. And don't quit your day job!"
Hang it there.
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MichaelAlanDawson wrote:

Thanks for the offer, but we are in Southern Indiana.

After he cooled down, he sent an email, like we expected, stating that if we take an extra cut, then he is entitled to partial ownership. He's dreaming. So, if I rent a PA from a sound reinforcement company, then I have partial ownership of their equipment? Rent = Pay, use, return.

If we didn't have the PA and lights, he would be paying more than $20 to rent that same equipment.

He has chosen to throw away a guaranteed $320 (for four gigs) because of $20.

mike


Tell him it's a deal. Tell him to bring over the ten grand right away for his 1/4 share and then he can keep his 20 bucks.
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Joe...To you I say Bravo. Couldn't have said it better.

Michael...I'm originally from southern Illinois, just about an hour from Terre Haute. Still got a bunch of contacts there. If you'd like I can make a few calls out that way if you think it could work out. Lemme know.
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Monolithent wrote:Joe...To you I say Bravo. Couldn't have said it better.

Michael...I'm originally from southern Illinois, just about an hour from Terre Haute. Still got a bunch of contacts there. If you'd like I can make a few calls out that way if you think it could work out. Lemme know.


If you know anyone from the Evansville area (Vanderburgh, Warrick, Spencer Counties), that would be awesome.

Thanks!
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Let me make some calls tonight and I will shoot you a PM on it in a couple hours.
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