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chicouk wrote:so would a duo core 2.0 ghz and 4 gig ram be enough to run capture?!?

shame really cause i got an amd 2.3 ghz laptop with 4 gigs of ram but it doesnt have firewire card or even a slot port :*(



Yes a 2.0ghz with 4gigs of RAM will work just fine for Capture and also Studio One is what I use.
It all depends exactly what you want to do. If your wanting a full blown plug in and play hassle free DAW machine Presonus recommends a i7 MBP or if you like PC another great plug in and play hassle free PC machine is i7 Rain Livebook which comes optional with a USB3 port since that's where the next generation of DAW world is heading.

Both Mac or PC are full blown plug in play DAW machine so you can edit till your hearts content. If you wanna save some money and rather buy audio gear such as mics because eventually your latest and greatest plug in and play DAW will eventually be outdated and obsolete because I been using DAWs since 99 and seen my share of computers, software ,and interfaces come and go.
Get a used or refurb mac or PC doesn't matter they all become obsolete eventually.
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I just had to replace a stolen laptop, and the hardest thing to find was anything with an expresscard slot, let alon on board firewire. My .02 would suggest getting an expresscard slot instead of onboard firewire. if you get the wrong card, you are out $20. If you get the wrong onboard Firewire, you are out alot more than that.

The only way I found a laptop with expresscard, was to go to the manufacturers website, and look at their small business machines. They were the only ones that had them. I narrowed it down to Dell, and Lenovo, and went with the Lenovo. 4GB Ram, i5, and 500GB 7200 rpm hard drive. I think the total price was $700.

Good luck. There is nothing wrong with liking a PC, and Win 7 has been flawless for me. The only tweaking is the Power Profile.
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twostone wrote:
chicouk wrote:so would a duo core 2.0 ghz and 4 gig ram be enough to run capture?!?

shame really cause i got an amd 2.3 ghz laptop with 4 gigs of ram but it doesnt have firewire card or even a slot port :*(



Yes a 2.0ghz with 4gigs of RAM will work just fine for Capture and also Studio One is what I use.
It all depends exactly what you want to do. If your wanting a full blown plug in and play hassle free DAW machine Presonus recommends a i7 MBP or if you like PC another great plug in and play hassle free PC machine is i7 Rain Livebook which comes optional with a USB3 port since that's where the next generation of DAW world is heading.

Both Mac or PC are full blown plug in play DAW machine so you can edit till your hearts content. If you wanna save some money and rather buy audio gear such as mics because eventually your latest and greatest plug in and play DAW will eventually be outdated and obsolete because I been using DAWs since 99 and seen my share of computers, software ,and interfaces come and go.
Get a used or refurb mac or PC doesn't matter they all become obsolete eventually.


I have got a good pc at home that i mainly do my editing and mastering.

i only want to use the laptop to record the channels so i can take it back home and work on it.

i mainly record live worship at church and we sometimes have use up to 18 channels. Normally we record it on tape using an analogue mixer but it is so outdated and i actually want to mix the live sets.

so i guess the main question is.... do i need a fast laptop if i want to record around 18 channels or more
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chicouk wrote:
twostone wrote:
chicouk wrote:so would a duo core 2.0 ghz and 4 gig ram be enough to run capture?!?

shame really cause i got an amd 2.3 ghz laptop with 4 gigs of ram but it doesnt have firewire card or even a slot port :*(



Yes a 2.0ghz with 4gigs of RAM will work just fine for Capture and also Studio One is what I use.
It all depends exactly what you want to do. If your wanting a full blown plug in and play hassle free DAW machine Presonus recommends a i7 MBP or if you like PC another great plug in and play hassle free PC machine is i7 Rain Livebook which comes optional with a USB3 port since that's where the next generation of DAW world is heading.

Both Mac or PC are full blown plug in play DAW machine so you can edit till your hearts content. If you wanna save some money and rather buy audio gear such as mics because eventually your latest and greatest plug in and play DAW will eventually be outdated and obsolete because I been using DAWs since 99 and seen my share of computers, software ,and interfaces come and go.
Get a used or refurb mac or PC doesn't matter they all become obsolete eventually.


I have got a good pc at home that i mainly do my editing and mastering.

i only want to use the laptop to record the channels so i can take it back home and work on it.

i mainly record live worship at church and we sometimes have use up to 18 channels. Normally we record it on tape using an analogue mixer but it is so outdated and i actually want to mix the live sets.

so i guess the main question is.... do i need a fast laptop if i want to record around 18 channels or more


So if your gonna do editing and mastering on another machine and just need mobility for Capture a 2 by 4 machine will work just fine for 18 channels on Capture since Capture uses very little CPU and RAM. The bare min on Capture is 1.6 ghz by 1 gig RAM.


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matthewgorman wrote:I just had to replace a stolen laptop, and the hardest thing to find was anything with an expresscard slot, let alon on board firewire. My .02 would suggest getting an expresscard slot instead of onboard firewire. if you get the wrong card, you are out $20. If you get the wrong onboard Firewire, you are out alot more than that.


What the heck is going on here? Laptops without an expansion card slot? I knew I would have trouble finding a "netbook" with one (there are only a couple) but last time I was looking at laptops, maybe 6 months ago, they all had an ExpressCard slot.

By the way, a "good" (TI or VIA chpset) Firewire ExpressCard will set you back $60 or so, not $20. But I concur that it's better to get the computer you want and the Firewire card that works than compromising on a computer that may not have the feature set you want just to get a built-in Firewire port that may or may not work with your audio gear.
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MikeRivers wrote:
matthewgorman wrote:I just had to replace a stolen laptop, and the hardest thing to find was anything with an expresscard slot, let alon on board firewire. My .02 would suggest getting an expresscard slot instead of onboard firewire. if you get the wrong card, you are out $20. If you get the wrong onboard Firewire, you are out alot more than that.


What the heck is going on here? Laptops without an expansion card slot? I knew I would have trouble finding a "netbook" with one (there are only a couple) but last time I was looking at laptops, maybe 6 months ago, they all had an ExpressCard slot.

By the way, a "good" (TI or VIA chpset) Firewire ExpressCard will set you back $60 or so, not $20. But I concur that it's better to get the computer you want and the Firewire card that works than compromising on a computer that may not have the feature set you want just to get a built-in Firewire port that may or may not work with your audio gear.



There's still no guarantee even with the right Express card. I had Toshiba lappy and bought a TI chipset Expresscard for it and didn't work because the Toshiba MB had the dreaded Richo chip set on it.

If the OP has a specific machine he's interested in buying maybe post the machine to see if anybody using the same machine with success. I know that the HP machine I posted works but it's older machine and doesn't have to be specifically get that particular machine.

Since the OP established he's just needing mobility to use Capture to record with the SL mixer and plans on using another machine for editing and mastering he doesn't really need a full blown plug in play PC or MAC DAW machine.

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MikeRivers wrote:
matthewgorman wrote:I just had to replace a stolen laptop, and the hardest thing to find was anything with an expresscard slot, let alon on board firewire. My .02 would suggest getting an expresscard slot instead of onboard firewire. if you get the wrong card, you are out $20. If you get the wrong onboard Firewire, you are out alot more than that.


What the heck is going on here? Laptops without an expansion card slot? I knew I would have trouble finding a "netbook" with one (there are only a couple) but last time I was looking at laptops, maybe 6 months ago, they all had an ExpressCard slot.

By the way, a "good" (TI or VIA chpset) Firewire ExpressCard will set you back $60 or so, not $20. But I concur that it's better to get the computer you want and the Firewire card that works than compromising on a computer that may not have the feature set you want just to get a built-in Firewire port that may or may not work with your audio gear.


It boggled my mind also. Nothing in any retail chain had it. Nothing on the HP website had it. Nothing on the Dell consumer side had it. I even chatted with a CSR, and they said nothing in their product line had express card. Aparently, the consumer side and Small Business side at Dell are no longer friends, because the CSR was not aware the Small Business had express card.

Starting to see that vision that Presonus had getting out of the firewire game.
Matt

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matthewgorman wrote:
MikeRivers wrote:
matthewgorman wrote:I just had to replace a stolen laptop, and the hardest thing to find was anything with an expresscard slot, let alon on board firewire. My .02 would suggest getting an expresscard slot instead of onboard firewire. if you get the wrong card, you are out $20. If you get the wrong onboard Firewire, you are out alot more than that.


What the heck is going on here? Laptops without an expansion card slot? I knew I would have trouble finding a "netbook" with one (there are only a couple) but last time I was looking at laptops, maybe 6 months ago, they all had an ExpressCard slot.

By the way, a "good" (TI or VIA chpset) Firewire ExpressCard will set you back $60 or so, not $20. But I concur that it's better to get the computer you want and the Firewire card that works than compromising on a computer that may not have the feature set you want just to get a built-in Firewire port that may or may not work with your audio gear.


It boggled my mind also. Nothing in any retail chain had it. Nothing on the HP website had it. Nothing on the Dell consumer side had it. I even chatted with a CSR, and they said nothing in their product line had express card. Aparently, the consumer side and Small Business side at Dell are no longer friends, because the CSR was not aware the Small Business had express card.

Starting to see that vision that Presonus had getting out of the firewire game.



That's because of USB 3 that's already available on some of the newer machines and from what I understand it streams both ways and can stream just as much data as firewire. I know when Presonus jump in the interface biz firewire was the bomb just like when USB 2 came out was the bomb and interface companies jump on the USB 2 band wagon and started spitting out USB 2 interfaces. Like I posted earlier I've been using DAW rigs since 99 back then you had to physically install your soundcard with a breakout box or cables and patch into a mixer for in/out since my Echo didn't have a built in micpre amp and all the Cool Edit plugins were DX and my Wave's platuim bundle is DX which I still use
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It seems like USB3 has finally 'found it's feet' now and is appearing on most laptops. And express card slots are becoming as rare as firewire ports. So the way ahead seems to be USB3 or Thunderbolt, but I think there would be many more USB3 sockets around the world currently than thunderbolt ones. Only one PC currently has a thunderbolt port and it's very expensive (Sony Vaio). So that just leaves the Macs, and PC's still have a higher market share. I think Presonus will have to move away from firewire now and update the SL's. It's very much a dying standard. I know many people who wont buy SL's because of the firewire interface.

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Focusrite 18i20. An '1818' that actually works as advertised and has great support!! But Presonus will continue the story it was all my systems and there is no hardware issue with the 1818 and the drivers are great.

Almost two years on and Presonus continues to say it's a 'top priority' but have no driver updates, make excuses and blame others (Intel, USB3 Microsoft, Apple and now the company that writes their drivers!) when other companies have it all working on the same systems!! And it so refreshing to get regular software updates and responsive and effective support!

And the 1818 does not have 'on-board DSP' as continues to be claimed.
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USB3 and Thunderbolt are both good, but until the hardware that we want to use is equipped with that interface, it does us no good. Will you be buying a new console to go with your new computer? Alternatively, will you be frantically searching for a new computer that is Firewire compatible because you're not ready to replace your console quite yet to go along with the only new computers you can buy?

Apple has some hardware for Thunderbolt, but the only external products that I've seen that use USB3 are disk drives. What else is out there?
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the usb3 / thunderbolt thing is going to get interesting ....


Intel and amd have recently announced as of Q3 2012 they will drop all support for DVI and VGA connections on their chipsets - this is interesting because monitors will have to move to HDMI and Displayport

What does this mean for us ? Well basically FW will be dead, USB3 will be pretty much the standard for pc by that stage but mac is refusing to allow USB3 support at this stage .. who knows if that will change? Apple are putting their eggs in the thunderbolt basket, AMD are pushing HDMI / USB / Ethernet all in one setup that is expected to have huge data thoughput capabilities and similar daisy chaining as the Thunderbolt setup

I think in about 3 years Display port is going to be the standard for video, Its unclear what will win the battle of data, you have NEC with massive funding pushing USB3, Intel / Apple setting up Thunderbolt / Lightpeak and AMD with a bunch of Taiwanese funding pushing the development of HDMI connectivity past its current ethernet / video status.

I think apple will fold in the near future and just pay NEC for USB3 on the next gen macs as so many people are upset they dont have it .. you never know with apple though

It would be a much better world if they all worked together and just worked on the far superior lightpeak connection system

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PhilG wrote:the usb3 / thunderbolt thing is going to get interesting ....

I think in about 3 years Display port is going to be the standard for video, Its unclear what will win the battle of data, you have NEC with massive funding pushing USB3, Intel / Apple setting up Thunderbolt / Lightpeak and AMD with a bunch of Taiwanese funding pushing the development of HDMI connectivity past its current ethernet / video status.

It would be a much better world if they all worked together and just worked on the far superior lightpeak connection system


I guess I get a new monitor about every four computers, but if my next computer doesn't have SVGA or HDMI, I'll have to get a new monitor along with the new computer.

The Firewire thing is something else, though. Manufacturers tend to discontinue a project as soon as they can, whether their conscience tells them it's OK or not. So your StudioLive might revert to a just plain ol' mixer sooner than you'll be happy with. Because Firewire takes care of a lot of protocol stuff right at the hardware interface level, it's not something that you can adapt with just a cable. (Jason, those Firewire-USB cables are for charging batteries, not transferring data).

Oh, and has anyone seen Windows 8 yet? It looks like an iPhone. It might actually be OK for running VSL, but I dunno about writing articles on it.

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MikeRivers wrote:USB3 and Thunderbolt are both good, but until the hardware that we want to use is equipped with that interface, it does us no good. Will you be buying a new console to go with your new computer? Alternatively, will you be frantically searching for a new computer that is Firewire compatible because you're not ready to replace your console quite yet to go along with the only new computers you can buy?

Apple has some hardware for Thunderbolt, but the only external products that I've seen that use USB3 are disk drives. What else is out there?


Apogee, Motu, and Universal Audio are in the works for their new thunderbolt products and Intel has the light peak cards ready for PC I think their just waiting for some more MB companies to reconfigure MB's for compatibility is why you don't see them on PC yet but their coming.

So does this Thunderbolt stuff end the ticks and pops and crackling issues that firewire has?
and I can get a pretty pink fiber optical cable ?

http://www.audiobeef.com/thunderbolt-audio-interfaces-are-coming/

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twostone wrote:
Apogee, Motu, and Universal Audio are in the works for their new thunderbolt products and Intel has the light peak cards ready for PC I think their just waiting for some more MB companies to reconfigure MB's for compatibility is why you don't see them on PC yet but their coming.


Well, somebody has to be first. Apogee is now a "Mac only" company so that's not unexpected. UA doesn't make inexpensive products which, in the long run, is, I think, a good thing, but it's not going to bring a high speed serial interface to the masses. MOTU is primarily in the multi-channel business, which is a very good reason to look at a higher speed computer interface, but again, it's not what the masses are buying, it's a smaller market.

BUT computers will be out very soon and will leave legacy connectivity behind very soon. The $1,000 home studio user who buys a new computer (for whatever reason) is likely to find that he can't use his present audio interface (which is working just fine, thank you) and is unable to afford a replacement. This is just a bump in the road, of course, which will eventually smooth out, but it will take a few years.

And in the meantime, software vendors will be updating their programs, which will ultimately necessitate buying a new computer. This may mean a larger than expected investment in order to stay in "business,"

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What happen to the OP?
Hope you found a compatible laptop.
 
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